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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #135 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 1:04pm

cods wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:01am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

The only reason that Thomson was perused so relentlessly was for that same vote. Williamson was not perused with the same vigour and neither was Jackson etc. Whether Thomson is guilty or not the exercise has been a political witch hunt from the beginning.

Had he been out in the community there would have been no real fuss at all, that is a fact while it may reflect poorly on the community it is still true.

just to stop Tony Abbott

I dispute that dna..

THOMO put himself out there to be voted in as an MP....

Williamson and Jackson did not..

dont you think we have every right to believe anyone that is an MP.. is at the least HONEST and above BEING DRAGGED THROUGH THE COURTS FOR STEALING.

you seem to believe that being a member of parliament should give him or anyone I guess special treatment..

I dont happen to believe that in fact I expect Better if not MORE from our members and I dont care which side they are on..

maybe its time you started expecting more instead of always finding and excuse for their behavior...

if he had been in the private sector... even a copper he would have been suspended from day one....

sorry if its a crime to expect more from our parliamentarians..

and there you have it Cods, albeit by accident, but you've finally gotten something right. Despite the fact that, from the looks of it, Thommo, Williamson And Jackson have all appeared to have been drinking from the same trough, the only one you care about is Thommo.

Does the fact that Jackson and Williamson appear to have been guilty of the same thing not matter? Why? Is it because they can't help abbot win government.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Why would anyone support Thommo? Reply #136 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 1:13pm Verge wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 10:44am: Try walking into a strippers on Friday or Saturday night in Pitt St Sydney, its full of suits and ties. That proves what???? I don't think I have been in to Rhinos and Bar 20 not wearing a suit and I am yet to put a single thing on my corp card.
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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Why would anyone support Thommo? Reply #137 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 1:20pm You aren't far enough up the pecking order andre
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Why would anyone support Thommo? Reply #138 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 1:21pm It's against corp policy. I have been in there with a guy who sits on the SLT - and we're one of the 10 biggest companies in the world. That's pretty pecking order.
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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #139 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 2:03pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

It's against corp policy.

I have been in there with a guy who sits on the SLT - and we're one of the 10 biggest companies in the world. That's pretty pecking order.

My brother was at a function last week attended by some big powerbrokers in the labor party. That doesnt make him the PM now does it?

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #140 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 2:46pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 10:12am:

Muso that's a really good point about corporate card expensing.

The problem for me lies in the structuring and attitude that exists in Unions and Public Sectors.

I work for a listed entity which has specific, stringent ethical policies and expensing systems.
I have a Corp Amex card which I use very often, mainly to refill my car and pay for flights, hotels etc.
We use the Concur system of reporting - this is linked to the card itself and must be filled out every month. If a red alarm vendor appears it requires a specific and detailed reason as to why it has been used - a strip club or brothel being prime examples.

Now I interviewed a guy back in May for a Controller role, he was coming out of a Union.
He told me that the biggest headache for him is poor control of corporate expensing.
He said they have the ability to withdraw cash on the card (the biggest no no in expense auditing given its impossible to trace how its spent) and that he has often veterans of 15 and 20 years in the Union telling him its none of his business how they spend money on their card.
His union has a write off of $450,000 for unallocated expenses on their balance sheet.

I can't imagine his union operates much different to the others.

There is no way we as a listed entity with clear ethical guidelines could operate in that way.

Until the Unions and the public sectors change their mindset of entitlement and by that nature changes its internal expensing audit systems, they will continue to attract and produce unethical corrupt people such as Mr Thomson.

Of course.....

And if I said I had the same experience with someone from one of the large corporate associations you would be very quick to say I was having a lend of you.

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #141 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 2:59pm

Lobo wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 2:46pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 10:12am:

Muso that's a really good point about corporate card expensing.

The problem for me lies in the structuring and attitude that exists in Unions and Public Sectors.

I work for a listed entity which has specific, stringent ethical policies and expensing systems.
I have a Corp Amex card which I use very often, mainly to refill my car and pay for flights, hotels etc.
We use the Concur system of reporting - this is linked to the card itself and must be filled out every month. If a red alarm vendor appears it requires a specific and detailed reason as to why it has been used - a strip club or brothel being prime examples.

Now I interviewed a guy back in May for a Controller role, he was coming out of a Union.
He told me that the biggest headache for him is poor control of corporate expensing.
He said they have the ability to withdraw cash on the card (the biggest no no in expense auditing given its impossible to trace how its spent) and that he has often veterans of 15 and 20 years in the Union telling him its none of his business how they spend money on their card.
His union has a write off of $450,000 for unallocated expenses on their balance sheet.

I can't imagine his union operates much different to the others.

There is no way we as a listed entity with clear ethical guidelines could operate in that way.

Until the Unions and the public sectors change their mindset of entitlement and by that nature changes its internal expensing audit systems, they will continue to attract and produce unethical corrupt people such as Mr Thomson.

Of course.....

And if I said I had the same experience with someone from one of the large corporate associations you would be very quick to say I was having a lend of you.

Andre's comments about public service are rather amusing, considering their "sense of entitlement over spending" is overly stringent, to the point that it creates inefficiencies.

Try booking up a hamburger you dont have approval for on a public servants account and see how quick you get a foot in the backside, and in regards to things like "kick backs", do that once and see how quickly they expose you as well.

My wife worked in Local Government and found paper trails excessive and inefficient, abiet necessary for duty of disclosure.

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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7407 Sydney Gender:	Re: Why would anyone support Thommo? Reply #142 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 3:10pm Quote: Andre's comments about public service are rather amusing, Andi's comments on a lot of things are amusing.... Especially his moderty in relation to himself.
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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Why would anyone support Thommo? Reply #143 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 3:35pm Thommo was just an ordinary man doing his best to live the dream. A dream of many ordinary men.
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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Why would anyone support Thommo? Reply #144 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 4:36pm Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 3:35pm: Thommo was just an ordinary man doing his best to live the dream. A dream of many ordinary men. He was merely facilitating "tits out for the boys"
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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #145 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:22pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 12:39pm:

cods wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

I think Thommo is a slime bag.

Has anyone stopped and thought about what kind of deals may have been sealed because Thommo bought them a root?

For all we know Thommo's drinks and hookers could have sealed a substantial amount of funding for the Union.

Please dont carry on like this doesnt happen anywhere else. How many other big business deals have been settled over a lap dance?

Try walking into a strippers on Friday or Saturday night in Pitt St Sydney, its full of suits and ties.

thats right just ask rudd.. and Macdonald. and Obeid.. they all like hookers.and strip clubs.

Why not ask the Guy who was renowned for organising the best Blue nights at Parlament house ???

WAS THAT YOU!!!!!!??? HILARIOUS.it must have been NSWInc.. Grin

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #146 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:37pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 7:57pm:

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wen he says he is not disputing the facts of the charges then what the hell is he no disputing?

I think you have made a break-through, by accident. As I have been trying to tell you, no-one (outside the parties) knows what facts have been agreed, and your problem is that you are over-reading what has been said by the Lawyer. He did not say "he is not disputing the facts of/in the charges," he said that (a) of some facts we (that's us) cannot identify, (b) there is likely to be little dispute.

except for the word 'some' which he didn't use. anyhow, you watch when he goes to trial and essentially admits the truth of the charges but claims that he was entitled to spend the money.

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Reply #147 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:37pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 7:51pm:

There were people on here happy that Thomson would get away with it and stay in parliament just to stop Tony Abbott winning a no confidence vote.

There seems some very light morality these days.

The only reason that Thomson was perused so relentlessly was for that same vote. Williamson was not perused with the same vigour and neither was Jackson etc. Whether Thomson is guilty or not the exercise has been a political witch hunt from the beginning.

Had he been out in the community there would have been no real fuss at all, that is a fact while it may reflect poorly on the community it is still true.

just to stop Tony Abbott

Very important for Australia to stop the TAbbott danger.

yeah... bugger that whole democracy thing!

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #148 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:40pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

Lobo wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:09pm:

matty wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 12:00am:

Lobo wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

matty wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Why would anyone support Thommo?

Maybe they think he is innocent ??

I could equally ask how anyone could support Abbott I don't understand that either.

1. He's more or less admitted that he did do it.
2. What has Abbott done on the same level?

He has??

'More or less', eh???

Do tell......

He's pleading guilty to the charges.

He is??

"Embattled federal MP Craig Thomson has signalled for the first time he may be willing to make concessions over his alleged use of a union credit card to pay for porn and prostitutes, and his legal team has successfully argued for the case to be heard in a lower court."

it is good to see you supporting labors criminals - people who take half a million dollars of union money and spend it on himself and hookers. Its bad enough that labor has these people in its ranks; it is worse that dopes like you support him.

When was he convicted of taking union money and spending it on himself and hookers?

Did this happen yesterday? Undecided

he was ARRESTED for the charges and has appeared in court more than once.

Being arrested, and subsequently appearing in court, is not the same as being convicted of a crime.

Here, this may help you:

http://www.dfat.gov.au/facts/legal_system.html

wow... I never knew that!!!

the point was that he has been investigated several times and now facing both civil and criminal charges. That hardly amounts to the smell of innocence and integrity, does it. plenty of politicians and senior employees in large companies have stepped aside once charged with such things as a matter of honesty and integrity and come back once the charges were defeated.

but no thommo. but always good to see you lot defending such behaviour. it explains so much.

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #149 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 7:51pm:

There were people on here happy that Thomson would get away with it and stay in parliament just to stop Tony Abbott winning a no confidence vote.

There seems some very light morality these days.

The only reason that Thomson was perused so relentlessly was for that same vote. Williamson was not perused with the same vigour and neither was Jackson etc. Whether Thomson is guilty or not the exercise has been a political witch hunt from the beginning.

Had he been out in the community there would have been no real fuss at all, that is a fact while it may reflect poorly on the community it is still true.

just to stop Tony Abbott

Very important for Australia to stop the TAbbott danger.

yeah... bugger that whole democracy thing!

I was just thinking longy if the libs were in govt and mid stream they changed the leader so everyone had a new PM who was busy running round changing things and doing god only knows what in haste>??? without any mandate whatever..

do you think our friends from the left would be screaming by now for an election?

or would that not be democracy labor style

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