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Reply #45 - Jul 24th, 2013 at 6:34am
 
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Reply #46 - Jul 24th, 2013 at 1:11pm
 
Hey muso

Thanks for taking the time to show me the diference between fluxes and inventory.

I never ever thought to calculate the total mass of CO2 in our atmosphere based on 0.039% volume.

Yes you are correct about CO2 fluxes and inentory.

Its been an education for me and certainely puts abit of the puzzle together, for that i thank you.

The crux of AGW is how much CO2 in our atmosphere is natural and how much is manmade.

The problem with the IPCC reports is that they attribute all CO2 rises in our atmosphere to antropogenic emissions.

This is their down fall and as long as they manupulate and adjust figures to fall in line with the keeling curve based only on athropogenic CO2 emissions their computer models are not worth the time taken to produce them.

The rise of CO2 in our atmopshere has been from athropogenic emissions and the degassing of the hydrosphere and land use.

Of the total amount of CO2 that has been pumped into our atmosphere from nature and man since the start of the industrial revolution, (285-395ppm) about 110ppm only about half can be attributed to man the other half is natural.

This brings us to the temperature rise since the industrial revolution, yes man's emissions may have contributed in some small way but nature or the degasssing of the hydrosphere is the main reason temperatures have increased by 0.5 degree celcius.

CO2 in our atmosphere is 0.039% in volume, too small to drive temperature change, even when we had 20 times the amount of CO2 that we have today this still didn't trigger a runaway greenhouse effect.

CO2 doesn't drive temperature, temperature drives the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere, and the temperature is controlled by our sun.

CO2 has never driven temperature or any runaway greenhouse effect in our past why should it today??

And man's poulty contribution of 3% to 5% (less if you use inventory) in the overall scheme of things will certainely NEVER drive climate change.

The other thing you have to keep in mind is that the UN and the IPCC are both infuenced by bankers who have pumped billions of dollars in AGW.

People should be asking themselves why are bankers pumping so much money into AGW?

And what have they got to gain from it?

Well fossil fuels will eventually run out and there will be nothing to tax.

But the air that we breathe will always be here as long as humans exists something to tax us all based on the lie that is AGW.
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Reply #47 - Jul 24th, 2013 at 1:27pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 8:15pm:
Ajax wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 9:07am:
To anyone reading this post just google global cooling in the 1970's.

...and you will come up with references to 2 articles in the popular media by journalists about global cooling.

If you however search the scientific literature of the 1970s, you will find that even then the majority atmospheric physicists and chemists writing on the subject were concerned about warming due to anthropogenic emissions

An enduring popular myth suggests that in the 1970s the climate science community was predicting “global cooling” and an “imminent” ice age, an observation frequently used by those who would undermine what climate scientists say today about the prospect of global warming. A review of the literature suggests that, on the contrary, greenhouse warming even then dominated scientists' thinking as being one of the most important forces shaping Earth's climate on human time scales.


Hey RT

I'm not going to argue with you.

All i'm saying is just like today with global warming in newspapers, tv shows, movies, radio c etc.

Back then it was global cooling because temperatures fell from 1940 to about 1975 so these very same clowns that have frightened the be-jesus out of us today about global warming.

Where running around telling the world we are headed for an ice age, they even suggested to melt the arctic.

Never thought about those cuddly polar bears back then did they??

The Erath;s temperature and the CO2 content in our atmosphere has never flat lined nor will it ever, its made up of continuous peaks and troughs.

Too bad on this peak these elite mogul pigs have managed to tax the whole world on the air we breathe based on the lie that is AGW.
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Reply #48 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:50pm
 
Ajax wrote on Jul 22nd, 2013 at 12:03pm:
Hi Muso

First I’m all for cleaning up manmade pollution that’s all the chemicals that corporations throw in our waterways and dump in landfills to save themselves some money, I’m not a grennie but I hate yobbos who litter our country and so do most of us now that’s a fact.

I have done my homework on AGW and yes I do understand how the greenhouse effect is suppose to work, I don’t need highly politicized IPCC propaganda to understand the science, like in your sticky above.

It’s simple and you don’t need to be a professor to understand it, the hypothesis the IPCC presents is that of the tropopause is heating up it may create a runaway greenhouse effect as I have explained above in my previous post.

This means that the temperature in the tropopause should be greater than the temperature at ground level, but guess what the exact opposite is true in the real world; this phenomenon is only found in their computer simulated models which cannot approximate the climate of the Earth at all.

Thousands of weather balloons and satellite data have failed to detect this hot spot which is the only piece of evidence coming out of the IPCC computer models, now why do you ignore this vital piece of information.

If the tropopause is heating up then the weather balloons and satellite data would have detected the hot spot but it doesn’t exist in the real world.

If that’s not the nail in the coffin I don’t know what is?

What about the fact that the IPCC amplify the effects of CO2 on their computer models to get the desired result, this leads to the hypothesis that more CO2 will lead to more water vapor and the cycle goes on.

This being the case there should be an abnormal amount of water vapor and CO2 around the equator, but guess what again empirical data has failed to show this is true, meaning that these theories don’t exist in the real world only on their computer models.

Not to mention that most of the warming in the last century happened before 1940 now they don’t tell you this do they?

Or that 1/3 of all manmade CO2 was released into the atmosphere AFTER 1998 yet we have had cooling not warming since 1998, meaning that the temperatures after 1998 have not surpassed the 1998 values, even the IPCC agree on this!

What happened to unequivocal warming??

Unfortunately I cannot post any sources because I have to reach 100 posts, so how do you know my sources are flawed?

Are you saying that CO2 drives warming here on planet Earth?

Because most scientists even the alarmists agree that CO2 lags temperature by about 800 years, they don’t tell you that do they.

BTW those graphs in your sticky that show the correlation between CO2 and temperature why are they all at around 450000 years scale, I’ll tell you because at this scale it looks as though CO2 & temperature correlate.

But we all know they don’t because CO2 follows temperature, temperature doesn’t follow the tiny amount CO2 in our atmosphere.

Water vapor is responsible for 95% of the greenhouse effect here on Earth….fact!!!!!

You should do your homework so Al Gore and his cronies cannot pull the wool over your eyes dude.

BTW do you know Al Gore has set up a company to sell carbon credits to the whole world
??????

Is Dave Letterman past your bedtime or something  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy ?!!
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Reply #49 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:53pm
 
Ajax wrote on Jul 24th, 2013 at 1:27pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 8:15pm:
Ajax wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 9:07am:
To anyone reading this post just google global cooling in the 1970's.

...and you will come up with references to 2 articles in the popular media by journalists about global cooling.

If you however search the scientific literature of the 1970s, you will find that even then the majority atmospheric physicists and chemists writing on the subject were concerned about warming due to anthropogenic emissions

An enduring popular myth suggests that in the 1970s the climate science community was predicting “global cooling” and an “imminent” ice age, an observation frequently used by those who would undermine what climate scientists say today about the prospect of global warming. A review of the literature suggests that, on the contrary, greenhouse warming even then dominated scientists' thinking as being one of the most important forces shaping Earth's climate on human time scales.


Hey RT

I'm not going to argue with you.

All i'm saying is just like today with global warming in newspapers, tv shows, movies, radio c etc.

Back then it was global cooling because temperatures fell from 1940 to about 1975 so these very same clowns that have frightened the be-jesus out of us today about global warming.

Where running around telling the world we are headed for an ice age, they even suggested to melt the arctic.

Never thought about those cuddly polar bears back then did they??

The Erath;s temperature and the CO2 content in our atmosphere has never flat lined nor will it ever, its made up of continuous peaks and troughs.

Too bad on this peak these elite mogul pigs have managed to tax the whole world on the air we breathe based on the lie that is AGW.

Ajax- or should I call you Junior- the nuclear Industry has actually been using Global Warming as a tactic to try and sell its industry since the 60s... even in little ol' Perth!

Can you wrap your laughing gear around that???


So why don't you go get some more prawns and crayfish off of Daddykins, watch him smoke a million cigarettes and discuss....
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