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Reply #300 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 3:40pm
 
No, Alevine, Grendel's up to lie 3.

If I can find any evidence on Australia's security rating, he'll be up to lie 2.

Patience, Alevine, patience.
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Reply #301 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 3:51pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 3:40pm:
No, Alevine, Grendel's up to lie 3.

If I can find any evidence on Australia's security rating, he'll be up to lie 2.

Patience, Alevine, patience.

Sorry Karnal. I forget: patience, patience.

Karnal, I love how Grendel debates! I'm very surprised you've been able to outdebate him on his 10 lies, and only leave him with 3. Did you see how he outsmarted you with his quite well substantiated "no it doesn't" response before? Or how he constantly reminds you, quite correctly, that you only read LW Propaganda nonsense?  I think Grendel should be a minister in a Matty government.

Thoughts?
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Reply #302 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 4:20pm
 
LOL twenty pages and boofy still can't come up with one significant lie, what  a loser. Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy looks like boofy is the liar. Cheesy
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Reply #303 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 4:27pm
 
STOP THE LEFTARDS.
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Re: Rudd's 61 lies by Grendal
Reply #304 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 4:34pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 3:51pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 3:40pm:
No, Alevine, Grendel's up to lie 3.

If I can find any evidence on Australia's security rating, he'll be up to lie 2.

Patience, Alevine, patience.

Sorry Karnal. I forget: patience, patience.

Karnal, I love how Grendel debates! I'm very surprised you've been able to outdebate him on his 10 lies, and only leave him with 3. Did you see how he outsmarted you with his quite well substantiated "no it doesn't" response before? Or how he constantly reminds you, quite correctly, that you only read LW Propaganda nonsense?  I think Grendel should be a minister in a Matty government.

Thoughts?


Yes, Alevine, I agree. I think Grendel would make a marvelous minister in Matty's government. 

Grendel's lies are starting to become very complicated. I'm not sure if he knows which part the lie is - this is an excellent skill for an aspiring politician.

Still, we must have patience. All will be revealed in due course.

Lie 3, thanks, Grendel.
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Reply #305 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 4:36pm
 
skippy. wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 4:20pm:
LOL twenty pages and boofy still can't come up with one significant lie, what  a loser. Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy looks like boofy is the liar. Cheesy


No, Skippy, Grendel will apologize if he's found to be wrong. That's the rules. If he can't prove 61 lies, he must say he was wrong and promise not to do it again.

Lie 3 thanks, Grendel. We have much patience.
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Reply #306 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 4:39pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 11th, 2013 at 9:09pm:
I'm gonna do you all slowly...

1 lie at a time.

I'm waiting for a sensible rebuttal not crap and bile.

So far me 1...  backed up by the F A C T S.  Wink


Lies proven so far: Rudd's ability to manage change when necessary (Grendel doesn't even need to prove that - it's self-evident).

Australia has strong national security (the rebuttal: we don't have WMDs and a terrorist might get in on a boat).

All other lies have been disproven. Grendel has 59 to go.

Patience, leftards, patience.
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Reply #307 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 5:18pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 4:39pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 11th, 2013 at 9:09pm:
I'm gonna do you all slowly...

1 lie at a time.

I'm waiting for a sensible rebuttal not crap and bile.

So far me 1...  backed up by the F A C T S.  Wink


Lies proven so far: Rudd's ability to manage change when necessary (Grendel doesn't even need to prove that - it's self-evident).

Australia has strong national security (the rebuttal: we don't have WMDs and a terrorist might get in on a boat).

All other lies have been disproven. Grendel has 59 to go.

Patience, leftards, patience.


tsk, tsk tsk
liar liar pants on fire... Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #308 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 5:41pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 5:18pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 4:39pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 11th, 2013 at 9:09pm:
I'm gonna do you all slowly...

1 lie at a time.

I'm waiting for a sensible rebuttal not crap and bile.

So far me 1...  backed up by the F A C T S.  Wink


Lies proven so far: Rudd's ability to manage change when necessary (Grendel doesn't even need to prove that - it's self-evident).

Australia has strong national security (the rebuttal: we don't have WMDs and a terrorist might get in on a boat).

All other lies have been disproven. Grendel has 59 to go.

Patience, leftards, patience.


tsk, tsk tsk
liar liar pants on fire... Grin Grin Grin


Serious rebuttals only, thanks, Grendel.

I don't make the rules, you know.
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Reply #309 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 5:47pm
 
someone just shoot the dumb twat and put him out of his misery ....
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Reply #310 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 6:07pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 3:27pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 2:06pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 2:00pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 1:59pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 12:50pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 11:59am:
Ok time to move on I suppose before you all start back slapping again...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

This is the first lie in his speech that I can't back up with factual refutation.  because to be able to do so I'd have to run a national poll...  mind you Kevin did no such thing so his claims/lies are nothing more than that.  Difference being I'm not making the unsubstantiated claims.

Lie 9

My core argument to you today is that given the new economic challenges that Australia is now facing, what the Australian people now want to see is a debate about a clear, positive economic policy direction for their future.

Really?  Is that what every Australian wants. 


Yes.

http://essentialvision.com.au/most-important-election-issues

Q.  Which are the three most important issues in deciding how you would vote at a Federal election?

17/06/2013.

1. Management of the economy 47%.
2. Ensuring the quality of Australia’s health system 45%.
3. Australian jobs and protection of local industries 34%.
4. Ensuring a quality education for all children 24%.
5. Political leadership 22%.
6. Ensuring a fair taxation system 19%.
7. Housing affordability 14%.
8. Addressing climate change 11%.
9. Controlling interest rates 11%.
10. Treatment of asylum seekers 11%.
11. Managing population growth 11%.
12. A fair industrial relations system 10%.
13. Security and the war on terrorism 8%.
14. Ensuring a quality water supply 5%.

Looks like the economy's number one, Grendel.


Sorry karnal that's a fail not even 50% are interested.

Yes Karnal. 34% of people worried about jobs aren't interested in the economy.  24% worrying about quality education aren't interested in the economy.  19% who want a fair tax system...they don't care about the economy.  14% with housing affordability think economy is a non-issue. Those who want climate change action - do you think they are interested in the economy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!!  You've got to be joking!!


Sorry alevine your going to have to stop bragging about how wrong you get things...  I already refuted karnals claims.
I used the media and the national population to gather todays top interests.
More than kevin did.
more than you guys did.

I' feel sorry for you all running around only thinking about the economy and kevin holding a debate on it.
I mean that is what you are all thinking about it is all you guys want right...  I mean kevin said so so it must be right...  right?

Do we really need to spell this out for you, Grendel?

A person doesn't need to say very very specifically they are concerned about the economy to be concerned about the economy. A person concerned about good education is in effect concerned about the economy. A person concerned about tax and tax cuts is concerned about the economy. A person concerned about climate change is...guess what...concerned about the economy! The majority of issues, the vast majority of issues, all come down to ... the economy!  I used to think like you...when I was 15... you know....why is the government concerned about the economy when they should be worried about social policies. Well guess what...even the ECONOMY impacts SOCIAL POLICIES. And Vice Versa.

So when Rudd says Australians think about the economy it's because they do.  Asylum Seekers? What's the main concern for the xenos - that too many are coming and are on Welfare. For the rest of us, it's the risk to life.  But here you have, a somewhat proportion of the Australian people still thinking about the economy when they are reading about Asylum Seekers!  Those worried about the carbon tax - it's not just because of climate, but it's the impact of climate and the sustainability of our economy in a changing climate.

Now, please, go away. You've wasted enough time.


you don't expect me or any thinking person to agree with that do you?  Roll Eyes

You can keep squirming and trying to move the goalposts...  you can call black white...  ignore sovereignty and people smugglers and call immigration issues the economy if you like, but unfortunately for you you just ain't right.
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Reply #311 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 6:13pm
 
gotta zip
so to keep you folks honest  Roll Eyes
and give you something to do.... like ignore the facts and backslap each other here are the rest of Rudd's lies...

so time for you to start cookin with gas
and shakin that sauce bottle...

Nine months into office, while implementing these productivity-based reforms, we, together with the rest of the world, were hit by the GFC.  Lie 11

But our core economic priority, understandably, became national economic survival as we watched bank collapses around the world, depositors lose their savings and economies crash into recession with massive job losses.
As you know, here in Australia, we deployed a national economic stimulus strategy, timely targeted and temporary, which helped keep Australia out of recession, kept the economy growing, and kept unemployment with a five in front of it – one of the lowest levels in the world.  Lie by inference 12.
And we did so with lower levels of debt and deficit than practically all the major advanced economies in the world.  Lie by inference 13,
These were our core preoccupations from 2008 to 2010.
In early 2010 with the economy stabilising, as Prime Minister I returned to the theme of national productivity growth. Lie 14.
Just to recap: in 2010 one in seven Australians were over the age of 65, whereas by 2050 that ratio will fall to one in four.  Lie 15 – unknown.
My confidence in rising to this challenge is underpinned by our economic fundamentals which we have kept strong, despite the pressures of the Global Financial Crisis.  Lie 16 – debt and deficit
The government will maintain a prudent approach to fiscal policy, returning the budget to surplus across the economic cycle – and as the Treasurer has recently confirmed. We will continue with our plan to return the budget to balance in the medium term. Lie 17
Because the China resources boom is coming off, Australia's core economic strategy for the future must be one which diversifies our economy, by creating more jobs in manufacturing, food production, infrastructure, construction, and our many other services industries, rather than having all our eggs in just one basket – the resources and energy sector.  Lie by inference and contradiction 18
Relying on the lower dollar alone to boost competitiveness is insufficient for the great economic task that lies ahead.  Lie 19.
But before you all start reaching for your revolver on the carbon price, let's be rational about this: the carbon price at present contributes less than 10 per cent to national electricity prices.  Lie 20.
The primary reason for the hike in electricity prices appears to be the current system of national electricity regulation which has allowed excessive rates of return for publicly-owned transmission and distribution utilities

I am also concerned that if you went through our business elites, you would not find a whole lot of the top 25 executives in each of our top 100 firms who have spent any of their career time serving in Asia – the engine driver of the global economy through until mid-century. Lie by inference 21.
This is a problem of Australian enterprise. Not a problem created by Australian unions. Lie by inference 22.
We now have universal pre-school education supervised by teachers for a minimum of 15 hours a week emphasising pre-literacy, pre-numeracy skills. Lie 23.
We do, however, need to do more with vocational education and training, particularly given the recent withdrawal of effort by many of the states.  Lie by inference 24.
Number six: Infrastructure.
Infrastructure Australia is doing great work. Lie 25.
For the first time in the nation's history, a national infrastructure priority list has been developed on the basis of a rigorous cost-benefit analysis.  Lie 26.
The NBN is being rolled out – the new infrastructure of the 21st century which of itself becomes a massive productivity driver for firms.  Lie 27.
It also involves other productivity drivers such as the effective take up of the NBN.  Lie 28.
Mr Abbott says that Australia's core economic problem is that we are suffering from a debt and deficit crisis.  Lie 29.
He said: '… there is now a budget emergency.' (Budget Reply speech, 16 May 2013).  Lie 30 he said a lot more.
Mr Abbott, is a formidable politician – he is the nation's most formidable exponent of negative politics, and negative politics above all designed to induce feelings of worry, anxiety and fear in the community. Lie 31.
He and the Liberal Party have concluded that fear is a far better political bet than engaging on a debate on the facts. Lie 32.
Which is why once again Mr Abbott refused to debate the economic facts here today. Lie 33.
Fact one: Despite Mr Abbott saying every day the economy is in crisis, since we have been in office the Australian economy has in fact grown by 14 per cent.  Lie 34.
And those of Germany and the United States have only grown about one fifth the rate of the Australian economy.  Lie by inference 35.
Fact four: Australia's budget deficit as a proportion of the size of our economy is also one of the lowest in the OECD.  Lie by inference 36.
Fact five: Australia's unemployment rate is lower than almost every major advanced economy. Lie 37
So this is the factual economic report card for Australia that Mr Abbott does not want to debate today. Lie 38.

sorry no time to highlight for you  Grin
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Reply #312 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 6:15pm
 
I know you kokoda survivors wont let kev down...

Let's go to debt and deficit levels in particular - because this is what Mr Abbott has banged on about for three years now, and it will dominate Mr Abbott's negative message for the election campaign.  Lie 39.
Our debt level is scheduled to peak at 11.4 per cent of the size of our economy.  Lie 40 -unknown
Of course we should always be concerned if we have a debt.
And we should always repay our debts responsibly.
But Australia has one of the lowest debt levels in the world. Lie by inference 41.
Because Mr Abbott's exaggerated claims on debt and deficit are based on a falsehood the whole house of cards he has constructed against the government's economic credentials, resting on the flimsy foundation of his debt and deficit attack, comes tumbling down.  Lie 42
Mr Abbott's economic policy for the future is even worse.  Lie 43
His prescription is to implement a slash and burn austerity drive across the nation. Lie 44
Well we have seen how that works in Queensland under Campbell Newman where business and consumer confidence has been shaken by the sacking of thousands of people, and the shrinking of critical government services.  lie by inference 45
We have also seen the impact of austerity drives by conservative governments in the United Kingdom which nearly produced a double dip recession, and has continued to plague growth.  Lie by inference 46
Just this year, the United Kingdom recorded the largest quarterly decline in household living standards in a generation.  Lie by inference and omission 47
And please note this core fact: the British economy today is smaller than it was back in 2008.
In summary, Mr Abbott just doesn't understand economics.  Lie 48.
Don't take my word for it. That is what former treasurer Peter Costello said about Mr Abbott.  Lie contextual 49.
Today, I wanted to debate the future of our economy.
Mr Abbott's absence has made such a debate impossible.
Therefore, whenever you hear Mr Abbott, Mr Hockey, Mr Robb or anyone else try and run the lines on an Australian debt and deficit crisis, remember this was the day for Mr Abbott to defend his case. Lie 50.
Instead, Mr Abbott decided to cut and run.  Lie 51.
Run away from the facts. Lie 52
But keep pumping out the fear. Lie 53.
In Mr Abbott's absence, what I have done today is outline our framework for tackling Australia's future economic challenges.
Australia is now an economy in transition.
A transition from the previous decade of the China resources boom. Lie by inference 54.
To the decade ahead where we must now diversify our economy so that we don't have all our eggs in one basket. Lie by inference 55
The challenge for the Australian government is to accelerate a new national competitiveness agenda that boosts our long term productivity growth.
We need to aim for a productivity number with a “2” in front of it.
And to get there we need to bring the nation together, not pull it apart. Lie by inference 56
Australian Labor governments know how to manage the great transitions in our economy. Lie 57
We did it with the Hawke and Keating governments when they transitioned Australia from the old, closed, post-war economy to the new internationalised economy that sets us up for the future – producing 22 years of sustained economic growth and an underlying inflation rate of 2.5 per cent – a world record.  Lie by inference 58
We did it again under this government when we transitioned Australia through what Paul Keating recently and eloquently described to me as the “valley of death” of the 2008-09 Great Global Recession. Lie 59
And I believe we can transition Australia again, capturing the gains of the Asian Century while diversifying the Australian economy so that in the future we have all sectors, all our cities and our regional centres lifting their economic performance.
Australian Labor governments manage transitions.
We sketch the future.
We harness the energy and ambition of our people. Lie 60
And as the people's government, we put policy to work to put the changes in place that best secures our future. Lie 61.
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Reply #313 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 6:17pm
 
skippy. wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 4:20pm:
LOL twenty pages and boofy still can't come up with one significant lie, what  a loser. Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy looks like boofy is the liar. Cheesy



that's ok Skippy getting you to acknowledge they are lies just not significant ones  Grin is a major breakthrough..

my job is done...  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #314 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 6:33pm
 
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Not quite Grendel.  You have not explained what you meant with this comment, especially the reference to 'Jase.'

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..in the mantra hater club Jase..


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