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Re: Retired Navy bod says boats can be returned
Reply #30 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:24pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

I like the Admiral and Alexander Downers comments about the supposed 'danger' of boarding these boats. We already do it regularly in the Persian Gulf. And anyhow, a navy not willing to undertake risky operations isnt much of a navy, is it?

No doubt all the red necks like the comment, shame is that it lacks a fair bit in terms of honesty. How many boats boarded in the Gulf are overcrowded and sinking?

(virtually none - right ?)

The fact is that in the Gulf mostly sea worthy commercial shipping is boarded to be inspected.

This is nothing like the same thing or the same danger to either the Nave personnel or the refugee claimants.

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Dale Ftard Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136 Gender:	Re: Retired Navy bod says boats can be returned Reply #31 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:29pm If the hat fits...and fit you it does
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Re: Retired Navy bod says boats can be returned
Reply #32 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:35pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

I like the Admiral and Alexander Downers comments about the supposed 'danger' of boarding these boats. We already do it regularly in the Persian Gulf. And anyhow, a navy not willing to undertake risky operations isnt much of a navy, is it?

No doubt all the red necks like the comment, shame is that it lacks a fair bit in terms of honesty. How many boats boarded in the Gulf are overcrowded and sinking?

(virtually none - right ?)

The fact is that in the Gulf mostly sea worthy commercial shipping is boarded to be inspected.

This is nothing like the same thing or the same danger to either the Nave personnel or the refugee claimants.

how many boat people are ARMED.. in the gulf they are. and anyhow drongo, of what value is a Navy if boarding a wooden boat full of unarmed people in the open sea is too difficult?? WORTHLESS. you seem to have avery low expectations of our military. I guess you propose that our soldiers should never be in a place that is 'dangerous'.

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Retired Navy bod says boats can be returned Reply #33 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:37pm Sorry, Dale, I forgot "poofters" and, of course, the original abuse of all - "dole bludgers". Great stuff, keep it up.
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Dale Ftard Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136 Gender:	Re: Retired Navy bod says boats can be returned Reply #34 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:39pm Dale Ftard wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:29pm: If the hat fits...and fit you it does
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Reply #35 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:41pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

I like the Admiral and Alexander Downers comments about the supposed 'danger' of boarding these boats. We already do it regularly in the Persian Gulf. And anyhow, a navy not willing to undertake risky operations isnt much of a navy, is it?

No doubt all the red necks like the comment, shame is that it lacks a fair bit in terms of honesty. How many boats boarded in the Gulf are overcrowded and sinking?

(virtually none - right ?)

The fact is that in the Gulf mostly sea worthy commercial shipping is boarded to be inspected.

This is nothing like the same thing or the same danger to either the Nave personnel or the refugee claimants.

how many boat people are ARMED.. in the gulf they are. and anyhow drongo, of what value is a Navy if boarding a wooden boat full of unarmed people in the open sea is too difficult?? WORTHLESS. you seem to have avery low expectations of our military. I guess you propose that our soldiers should never be in a place that is 'dangerous'.

There was never any doubt about the ability. Plenty of doubt about the value in taking the risks for no real legitimate reason.

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I guess you propose that our soldiers should never be in a place that is 'dangerous'

We should keep our people as safe as possible, we need a decent reason for adding to their danger and the Liberals winning an election is not a good enough reason.

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Dale Ftard Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136 Gender:	Re: Retired Navy bod says boats can be returned Reply #36 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:43pm Protecting our borders and saving billion per year from the leeches and the retards who support them is good enough for me.
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Re: Retired Navy bod says boats can be returned
Reply #37 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:44pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

I like the Admiral and Alexander Downers comments about the supposed 'danger' of boarding these boats. We already do it regularly in the Persian Gulf. And anyhow, a navy not willing to undertake risky operations isnt much of a navy, is it?

No doubt all the red necks like the comment, shame is that it lacks a fair bit in terms of honesty. How many boats boarded in the Gulf are overcrowded and sinking?

(virtually none - right ?)

The fact is that in the Gulf mostly sea worthy commercial shipping is boarded to be inspected.

This is nothing like the same thing or the same danger to either the Nave personnel or the refugee claimants.

how many boat people are ARMED.. in the gulf they are. and anyhow drongo, of what value is a Navy if boarding a wooden boat full of unarmed people in the open sea is too difficult?? WORTHLESS. you seem to have avery low expectations of our military. I guess you propose that our soldiers should never be in a place that is 'dangerous'.

There was never any doubt about the ability. Plenty of doubt about the value in taking the risks for no real legitimate reason.

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I guess you propose that our soldiers should never be in a place that is 'dangerous'

We should keep our people as safe as possible, we need a decent reason for adding to their danger and the Liberals winning an election is not a good enough reason.

so now we get to the real crux. YOUR OPINION. The military obeys the orders of the govt of the day and if the govt determines that it is legitimate then they do it. Great good an army would be if it would only defend us from invaders if it were 'safe to do so'.

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Re: Retired Navy bod says boats can be returned
Reply #38 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:46pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

And you welcome it don't you pansi. Along with the rest of your Socialist Alliance, society-destroying friends. You want nothing more than to pull down everything that is or was good about Australia and replace it with what? Some drug-induced notion of nirvana?

I would much prefer to see people living safely in their own country, but that's not to be, partly due to the interference of the west, religious differences and greed inc.

What to do?

Make their countries better so they don't want to leave

Make our country worse so they don't want to come here

or

Make our country better with refugees and asylum seekers as part of the community

because they will come, one way or another, despite the bleating by the right.

You can't have it both ways, you praise the government that initiates the war, but you can't handle the consequences.

Time and time again,

Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Croatian and Serbian refugees before the war....next to none

Vietnamese refugees before the war....zero

Iraqi refugees before the war....zero

Afghanistan refugees before the war...zero

Prepare for the Syrians..........

See a pattern?

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Dale Ftard Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136 Gender:	Re: Retired Navy bod says boats can be returned Reply #39 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:48pm Not that the left would know anything about defence. Rolling over and giving it all away is the only thing they know how to do
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woof woof Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1518 Gender:	Re: Retired Navy bod says boats can be returned Reply #40 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 1:48pm How many refugees seeking asylum should we accept?
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Re: Retired Navy bod says boats can be returned
Reply #41 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 2:05pm

salad in wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

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Military men say turning back boats can work

Retired Vice Admiral Chris Ritchie, who was Chief of Navy between 2002 and 2005, says turning back the boats can work - despite what so many journalists of the Left seem to think:

A turn-back operation as it was practised in 2001 is a hazardous, risky task because of the nature of the people that you’re dealing with. They’re people who are intent on getting to Australia and you’re trying to turn them back from Australia.

But nevertheless it’s a legitimate Navy operation. It’s something that Navy’s have done over centuries. And in that sense, if the government gives a direction to do it, then Navy people will do it and they’ll do it well.

The journalist wonders why just four were turned back:

TONY EASTLEY: Why did the practice stop when it did?

CHIRS RITCHIE: No more boats came.

TONY EASTLEY: None at all?

CHIRS RITCHIE: None at all. None at all.

TONY EASTLEY: If that same model of returning boats was to be reinstituted today, do you think it would still work?

CHIRS RITCHIE: If the conditions were replicated, it could still work.

Australia’s most recent defence attaché to Jakarta agrees and dismisses Kevin Rudd’s absurd warnings of Tony Abbott’s policy risking war:

Retired Brigadier Gary Hogan, who finished his three-year posting in Jakarta last year, says it is not realistic to talk about risking conflict with our northern neighbour.

“I think the strength of our strategic partnership would make that an unlikely scenario,” he said…

“I do think it’s possible for us to push back boats or to intercept boats and to lead them back to their source,” he told ABC News 24.

“We can’t do it on our own, we must do it with the Indonesians and I think we can do it with the Indonesians.

“I think it’s possible for us to get that level of cooperation with the Indonesian navy, in fact we already have that level of cooperation with the navy in the eastern end of the Indonesian archipelago.”

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/milit...

Chris Ritchie isn't a casual contributor to blogs; he's a retired vice admiral with hands-on experience. We didn't go to war over the issue of turning boats back previously so Indonesia can't now say such a policy is unacceptable.

LOL the conga line think some retired sailor knows more about international law than law experts. No wonder the conga line are so delusional. Roll Eyes

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Retired Navy bod says boats can be returned Reply #42 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 2:13pm Hello. here's skippy to give us the benefit of his nautical expertise. He has the nautical language for it anyway.
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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Retired Navy bod says boats can be returned Reply #43 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 2:18pm bogarde73 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2013 at 2:13pm: Hello. here's skippy to give us the benefit of his nautical expertise. He has the nautical language for it anyway. Yes, navy training makes you an expert in International law, well according to the conga line imbeciles cheer squad it does.
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Retired Navy bod says boats can be returned Reply #44 - Jul 6^th, 2013 at 2:21pm I have no problem with boats being returned. Provided they're loaded with ignorant, anti-refugee xenophobic right-wing 'Australians' first. I much prefer to have the refugees in MY country, than the xenophobic right who are condemning them. Don't like that? Tell someone who cares. I don't..
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