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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 46308	Re: Disarming USA Reply #780 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 5:50pm Americans and guns? Lunacy.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 46308	Re: Disarming USA Reply #782 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 6:10pm We can stop criminals getting access to firearms by stopping access to firearms. QED.
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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #783 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 6:18pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 6:10pm:

We can stop criminals getting access to firearms by stopping access to firearms. QED.

That's bullshit bwian,have a look how many guns police have seized in the last 2 weeks

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man charged,8 firearms seized at Wyong, 8.36 am Sun 30th Aug
www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/media_release_archives

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #784 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 6:28pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 6:10pm:

We can stop criminals getting access to firearms by stopping access to firearms. QED.

That's bullshit bwian,have a look how many guns police have seized in the last 2 weeks

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man charged,8 firearms seized at Wyong, 8.36 am Sun 30th Aug
www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/media_release_archives

Just imagine how many and more dangerous firearms would have been seized if we had the lax firearms regime you fantasise about, Baron. It would be like the USA, with every criminal armed to the teeth. Guess who'd be their victims! You and me! You really are a silly nong, you realise that, Baron? No forethought, no thinking about the consequences, you just want your guns! Roll Eyes

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #785 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 6:10pm:

We can stop criminals getting access to firearms by stopping access to firearms. QED.

That's bullshit bwian,have a look how many guns police have seized in the last 2 weeks

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man charged,8 firearms seized at Wyong, 8.36 am Sun 30th Aug
www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/media_release_archives

Just imagine how many and more dangerous firearms would have been seized if we had the lax firearms regime you fantasise about, Baron. It would be like the USA, with every criminal armed to the teeth. Guess who'd be their victims! You and me! You really are a silly nong, you realise that, Baron? No forethought, no thinking about the consequences, you just want your guns! Roll Eyes

Imagine how many criminals would be prevented from committing their crimes if every good, law abiding Australian Citizen had a firearm specifically to be used for self-defense?

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #786 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:36pm

Panther wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Imagine how many criminals would be prevented from committing their crimes if every good, law abiding Australian Citizen had a firearm specifically to be used for self-defense?

Imagine how many citizens would become criminals if allowed free and ready access to firearms which were not appropriate to their needs, Panther. You assume that all firearms owners are nice, cuddly, sane people for some reason. Why? Roll Eyes

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Reply #787 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:24pm

Panther wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 6:10pm:

We can stop criminals getting access to firearms by stopping access to firearms. QED.

That's bullshit bwian,have a look how many guns police have seized in the last 2 weeks

Quote:

man charged,8 firearms seized at Wyong, 8.36 am Sun 30th Aug
www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/media_release_archives

Just imagine how many and more dangerous firearms would have been seized if we had the lax firearms regime you fantasise about, Baron. It would be like the USA, with every criminal armed to the teeth. Guess who'd be their victims! You and me! You really are a silly nong, you realise that, Baron? No forethought, no thinking about the consequences, you just want your guns! Roll Eyes

Imagine how many criminals would be prevented from committing their crimes if every good, law abiding Australian Citizen had a firearm specifically to be used for self-defense?

If the US is an example, very few.
At the cost of many more murders.
Its not worth it.

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Reply #788 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Imagine how many criminals would be prevented from committing their crimes if every good, law abiding Australian Citizen had a firearm specifically to be used for self-defense?

Imagine how many citizens would become criminals if allowed free and ready access to firearms which were not appropriate to their needs, Panther. You assume that all firearms owners are nice, cuddly, sane people for some reason. Why? Roll Eyes

No, just that they have secured their firearms after a strict background check, which I would presume includes a psychological profile. Now if they act appropriately, there's no problem, but if they act outside of the law, go rogue, then they are to be treated appropriately as well.

How many cops go rogue? They go through background checks don't they?

Got any verifiable numbers?

If not we have to presume none. Wink

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #789 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:36pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:24pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 6:10pm:

We can stop criminals getting access to firearms by stopping access to firearms. QED.

That's bullshit bwian,have a look how many guns police have seized in the last 2 weeks

Quote:

man charged,8 firearms seized at Wyong, 8.36 am Sun 30th Aug
www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/media_release_archives

Just imagine how many and more dangerous firearms would have been seized if we had the lax firearms regime you fantasise about, Baron. It would be like the USA, with every criminal armed to the teeth. Guess who'd be their victims! You and me! You really are a silly nong, you realise that, Baron? No forethought, no thinking about the consequences, you just want your guns! Roll Eyes

Imagine how many criminals would be prevented from committing their crimes if every good, law abiding Australian Citizen had a firearm specifically to be used for self-defense?

If the US is an example, very few.
At the cost of many more murders.
Its not worth it.

Nice imagination....you have no factual stats to go with your assertions outside of your own bias?

Guns are conservatively used defensively over 2 million times a year in the US, saving more lives than they take. That's already been established by the US Department of Justice, as well as other sources.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #790 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:38pm

Panther wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Imagine how many criminals would be prevented from committing their crimes if every good, law abiding Australian Citizen had a firearm specifically to be used for self-defense?

Imagine how many citizens would become criminals if allowed free and ready access to firearms which were not appropriate to their needs, Panther. You assume that all firearms owners are nice, cuddly, sane people for some reason. Why? Roll Eyes

No, just that they have secured their firearms after a strict background check, which I would presume includes a psychological profile. Now if they act appropriately, there's no problem, but if they act outside of the law, go rogue, then they are to be treated appropriately as well.

How many cops go rogue? They go through background checks don't they?

Got any verifiable numbers?

If not we have to presume none. Wink

So, you accept regulation of firearms ownership then? Shocked

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #791 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:38pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Imagine how many criminals would be prevented from committing their crimes if every good, law abiding Australian Citizen had a firearm specifically to be used for self-defense?

Imagine how many citizens would become criminals if allowed free and ready access to firearms which were not appropriate to their needs, Panther. You assume that all firearms owners are nice, cuddly, sane people for some reason. Why? Roll Eyes

No, just that they have secured their firearms after a strict background check, which I would presume includes a psychological profile. Now if they act appropriately, there's no problem, but if they act outside of the law, go rogue, then they are to be treated appropriately as well.

How many cops go rogue? They go through background checks don't they?

Got any verifiable numbers?

If not we have to presume none. Wink

So, you accept regulation of firearms ownership then? Shocked

To the extent that they (owners) aren't violent criminals, or mentally unbalanced, otherwise no. Prospective owners do not have to prove any form of need, only pass the strict background checks.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #792 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:50pm

Panther wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:38pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Imagine how many criminals would be prevented from committing their crimes if every good, law abiding Australian Citizen had a firearm specifically to be used for self-defense?

Imagine how many citizens would become criminals if allowed free and ready access to firearms which were not appropriate to their needs, Panther. You assume that all firearms owners are nice, cuddly, sane people for some reason. Why? Roll Eyes

No, just that they have secured their firearms after a strict background check, which I would presume includes a psychological profile. Now if they act appropriately, there's no problem, but if they act outside of the law, go rogue, then they are to be treated appropriately as well.

How many cops go rogue? They go through background checks don't they?

Got any verifiable numbers?

If not we have to presume none. Wink

So, you accept regulation of firearms ownership then? Shocked

To the extent that they aren't violent criminals, or mentally unbalanced, otherwise no.

How about compos mentis?

Technically competent?

Safety orientated?

Can safely and securely store their firearms?

You in favour of any of those regulations, DreamRyderX? Roll Eyes

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #793 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:38pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Imagine how many criminals would be prevented from committing their crimes if every good, law abiding Australian Citizen had a firearm specifically to be used for self-defense?

Imagine how many citizens would become criminals if allowed free and ready access to firearms which were not appropriate to their needs, Panther. You assume that all firearms owners are nice, cuddly, sane people for some reason. Why? Roll Eyes

No, just that they have secured their firearms after a strict background check, which I would presume includes a psychological profile. Now if they act appropriately, there's no problem, but if they act outside of the law, go rogue, then they are to be treated appropriately as well.

How many cops go rogue? They go through background checks don't they?

Got any verifiable numbers?

If not we have to presume none. Wink

So, you accept regulation of firearms ownership then? Shocked

To the extent that they (owners) aren't violent criminals, or mentally unbalanced, otherwise no. Prospective owners do not have to prove any form of need, only pass the strict background checks.

How about compos mentis?

Technically competent?

Safety orientated?

Can safely and securely store their firearms?

You in favour of any of those regulations, DreamRyderX? Roll Eyes

How about compos mentis?

Of course, that's part of the psych eval & history verification.

Technically competent?

Only to the point that they will need to take & pass a comprehensive, hands-on firearm safety course.

Safety orientated?

As provided educationally via their approved firearm safety course (which they must pass).

Can safely and securely store their firearms?

No. I don't believe in lock boxes & separate housing of ammunition through 'one size fits all' mandatory regulation......I believe storage is an individual decision based on individual needs, as outlined & suggested in their educational firearm safety course, but not government mandated Wink

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Reply #794 - Aug 30^th, 2015 at 10:02pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Imagine how many criminals would be prevented from committing their crimes if every good, law abiding Australian Citizen had a firearm specifically to be used for self-defense?

Imagine how many citizens would become criminals if allowed free and ready access to firearms which were not appropriate to their needs, Panther. You assume that all firearms owners are nice, cuddly, sane people for some reason. Why? Roll Eyes

What you fail to accept is that America has become a Balkanized Nation over the last seven years and disarming the Makers and Producers will not improve public safety!

With the passage of concealed carry laws in a number of states over the last twenty years or so the critics have been proven wrong. Road Rage shootouts didn't happen and strangers don't shoot each other over petty arguments.

Take all our Blacks and Pachucos and you can learn first hand where our crime comes from. You will get a lot of talent, many are very rich but most are not. They can sing and dance, run and chase a ball. They even have their own languages and value systems. What they do to cars is imaginative to put it kindly.
You can give them jobs and promotions over more deserving people to show your government you are trying to do your part to make up for past injustices.
You can pay for huge Palaces that are called schools, you can pay for their children to have free breakfast and lunch at school five days a week.
You can pay for public housing forced in to your own formerly safe neighborhood and enjoy having your property stolen or vandalized.
So what do you get for all this charity?

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/08/29/alleged-texas-cop-killer-charged-linke...

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/28/vester-flanagan-poster-boy-fo...

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/08/28/black-activists-called-for-lynching-an...

And you think trying to disarm the people most likely to be assaulted will fix anything is ludicrous!

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