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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #735 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 1:34pm

Mortdooley wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

I don't know what country you are talking about but here the people on the government dole far outnumber the people who work.

US Working population (Unadjusted) - 122.87 million
US Non-Working population (Unadjusted) - 92 million.

Seems your views are incorrect Mort, for the United States as a whole...

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Reply #736 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 3:22pm

dev,
Im not sure if you are aware of the fact that America uses slightly different metric to us for determining the unemployment rate.

My understanding(correct me if i a wrong) is that in America if a person is unemployed for two years or more they are removed from welfare and unemployment statistics. So you have to add the number of long term unemployed to the official number of unemployed to come up with the actual number of unemployed people.

If you have factored this into your stats i apologize for the imprecation Wink

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Reply #737 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 5:42pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 3:22pm:

.....America uses slightly different metric to us for determining the unemployment rate.

My understanding(correct me if i a wrong) is that in America if a person is unemployed for two years or more they are removed from welfare and unemployment statistics. So you have to add the number of long term unemployed to the official number of unemployed to come up with the actual number of unemployed people.

So right you are!

You've hit the proverbial ball smack dab out of the park!

Source: JOBENOMICS Read Here: http://bit.ly/1IGmg50 Quote:

Jobenomics tracks both unemployment (Jobenomics Unemployment Scoreboard: Q1 2015) and employment (Jobenomics Employment Scoreboard: Q1 2015).

Download PDF versions: Jobenomics Employment Report – Q1 2015 & Jobenomics Unemployment Report – Q1 2015.

Executive Summary

US labor force has three statistical categories:

Employed, Unemployed and Not-in-Labor Force.

Understanding dynamics between these categories is needed to understand the current American unemployment situation.

Too much attention is placed on the official unemployment rate—a rate that is seriously flawed and politicized.

Sooner or later, the American people will figure out that it is theoretically possible for the US to have a zero rate of unemployment while simultaneously having zero people employed in the labor force. From a Jobenomics perspective, the true unemployment rate is much higher than advertised.

Understanding Employment and Unemployment Statistics. According to US Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS
), the basic concepts involved in identifying the employed and unemployed are quite simple:

People with jobs are Employed.

People who are jobless, looking for jobs, and available for work are Unemployed.

Those who are marginally employed, and looking for jobs, are deemed underemployed.

The underemployed are reported as a subset of the Unemployed category.

People who are neither employed nor unemployed are not in the labor force.

Those who have no job and are not looking for a job are counted in the BLS’ Not-in-Labor-Force

When a discouraged worker stops looking for work, that person is no longer considered unemployed by the BLS, they are moved into the NiLF category.

Never, ever go by the Employment/Welfare numbers published by the Administration.......

They've never given the 'Accurate/Correct' picture of employment or welfare.

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Reply #738 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 6:28pm

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Maine allows gun owners to carry concealed weapons
without permit.

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Maine will allow gun owners to carry concealed weapons without a permit, a practice called "constitutional carry" by Second Amendment advocates, under a bill signed into law on Wednesday by Republican Governor Paul LePage.

The measure will make Maine the fifth state to pass a law legalizing the carrying of a handgun, either openly or concealed, without the requirement of a government permit.

Maine joins Alaska, Arizona, Wyoming and Kansas in voting to allow the practice, according to National Rifle Association spokesman Lars Dalseide. Vermont has never required a permit. Arkansas and Montana also allow more limited forms of constitutional carry.

More than a dozen other states have considered similar legislation.

The Maine law will take effect 90 days after the state’s legislature adjourns, which is expected in mid-July.

The Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which protects the right of individuals to own and bear firearms, has limited efforts to pass gun control legislation around the country and has served as the basis for expanding gun rights in many states.

Maine law currently allows gun owners to openly carry a handgun without a permit, but concealed carry requires a background check, a licensing fee, a judgment of “good moral character” and evidence the applicant can handle a gun safely.

Sportsmen’s groups and gun advocates argued the process was too onerous, deterring law-abiding citizens from applying.

Opponents, including Maine Chiefs of Police Association, said rigorous background checks kept weapons out of the hands of felons.

The new law, which passed with broad bipartisan support, would eliminate the permit requirement for any resident over 21 years old who is not already prohibited from owning a firearm.

Active members of the military, and veterans over 18 years of age, would be granted the same privilege.

This is just the beginning. Many States are slated to pass their own statutes proclaiming "Constitutional Carry", where the Constitution stating Americans have the
Inalienable Right
to Keep & Bear Arms, is the only permit necessary.

More Guns = Less Crime

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #739 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 11:15pm

HB, It appears you would blame everything but the actual perpetrator of the crime! Here is your soulmate, a woman who can't see past her own prejudices and incompetence.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/04/baltimore-mayor-says-im-not-g...

The mayor was a guest on a Baltimore radio talk show to discuss her solutions to the city’s mounting violence, in particular the addition of a small company of federal agents who the mayor hopes will help step up police response to the growing mayhem.

Charge your Officers with First Degree Murder and let YOUR PEOPLE loot, destroy and burn down part of the City. No wonder your Police have stepped back.

Rawlings-Blake insisted that, in the last few weeks, she has “seen a lot of progress” and by that she meant tax dollars going to “recreation centers” and spending on schools. The mayor also went on to tout the “recreation capitol plan that’s going to invest over $130 million in new recreation centers.”

I heard that joke years ago...
Do you know how to stop a group of black men from raping a white woman?
Throw them a basketball.
Any White Mayor who said anything so stupid would have been pressured to resign for just that statement.

Despite the city’s continuing failure to solve the crime, though, Rawlings-Blake said she isn’t going anywhere. “But I’m not going to give up. I’m not going to resign. That’s not what Baltimoreans do. When times get tough we hunker down and get busy and that’s what I’m doing.”

Baltimoreans sounds like Aliens in a cheap Sci-Fi movie.

Save the City, resign and take that imbecile prosecutor with you Madam Mayor!

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #740 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 6:38am

Mortdooley wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 11:15pm:

HB, It appears you would blame everything but the actual perpetrator of the crime! Here is your soulmate, a woman who can't see past her own prejudices and incompetence.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/04/baltimore-mayor-says-im-not-g...

The mayor was a guest on a Baltimore radio talk show to discuss her solutions to the city’s mounting violence, in particular the addition of a small company of federal agents who the mayor hopes will help step up police response to the growing mayhem.

Since Maryland's useless "Assault Style" gun control laws were passed, a post-Sandy Hook knee-jerk feel-good legislation, Maryland's gun & violent crime rates have skyrocketed.

Now that those laws didn't work, surprise...surprise...surprise, they want to pass new, more draconian laws to stem the growth of crime.

Each & every new law, in typical leftist fashion, will only affect law-abiding citizens.
Why?
Simple.......criminals don't obey laws, & these laws....not a single one of them addresses crime or the criminal element.

But, but, aren't laws meant to control crime & the criminal element?

How progressive, they pass laws that increase crime, rather than reduce crime!

All these laws do is infringe upon the Rights of Law-Abiding Citizens in their desire to own firearms.

The battle lines are being drawn.

21 States Hope to Overturn Maryland's Gun Control Law

Source: The Baltimore Sun Quote:

Led by West Virginia's attorney general, 21 states have joined a legal effort seeking to overturn Maryland's tough new gun control law.

The Maryland statute has no effect on gun laws in their states, but the attorneys general argue in an amicus brief filed this month that Maryland's law was written too broadly and violates the Second Amendment rights of their citizens.

"States must band together in times when they see citizens' rights being diminished or infringed upon," West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey said in statement released when he filed the brief........

They say "Tough new Gun Control Law"

Tough on crime...no.
Tough on criminals...no
Tough on potential mass murders...no

Tough on who........tough on Law-Abiding Citizens...yep!

How Progressive!!

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Reply #741 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 12:55pm

So the US uses screwed up statistics to describe their screwed up society? Who could have believed it?

That US society is now so bad that taking measures to control guns creates a need for more guns? Who could have believe it?

I'm just glad I live in Australia where crime is no where as bad and that guns are controlled by the Government and gun ownership is treated as it should be as a privilege, not a "right", which continually gets misread by the American citizenry! Why did the US Supreme Court change how it defined that right? Because of the political influence of a bunch of lunatics who don't care about how dangerous their society has become. If Americans want guns, make them join their militia, the US National Guard!!! Grin

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Reply #742 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 5:02pm

I often wondered where the gun grabbing, gun controlling left ever came up with the saying, "more guns means more violent crime, while less guns means less violent crime", when somehow the facts, when thoroughly investigated, actually do not substantiate this assertion.

So the question should then be asked, & the findings should be thoughtfully revisited:

Link: Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?

Don't pass up the above link to this in-depth Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy study, it's a good read, & it should thoroughly stir up your investigative juices.

Hell, it may raise questions that until reading it were thought to have already been asked & answered.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #744 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:39pm

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Cincinnati man shoots at 1 year old boy,is shot by man with concealed carry permit.

A 62 year old man with a gun in each hand fired at 4 people,including a 1 year old boy- before a civilian with a concealed carry permit returned fire and wounded the shooters.

Thomas McCary is being held without bond on four counts of felonious assault.
foxnews.com/us/2015/07/27/cincinnati-man-shoots-at-1-year-old-boy-is-shot-by-man...

When seconds count how long does it take for the police to arrive?

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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7311 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: Disarming USA Reply #745 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:39pm Safer for criminals. The Volstead act created the Mob. The War on Drugs created the Cartels. What gang will gun prohibition produce?
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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: Disarming USA Reply #746 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:52pm guns are slightly different from drugs in this regard. Drugs are a high turnover item, that junkie spends 50 bucks a day getting high. guns are purchased once, then may be held for an indefinate period. a drug is an item of dependance, a gun is a tool.
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Reply #747 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:09pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:52pm:

guns are slightly different from drugs in this regard.

Drugs are a high turnover item, that junkie spends 50 bucks a day getting high. guns are purchased once, then may be held for an indefinate period.

a drug is an item of dependance, a gun is a tool.

Except for gun nuts who act like they are addicted to guns! Grin

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Reply #748 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 5:39pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

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Cincinnati man shoots at 1 year old boy,is shot by man with concealed carry permit.

A 62 year old man with a gun in each hand fired at 4 people,including a 1 year old boy- before a civilian with a concealed carry permit returned fire and wounded the shooters.

Thomas McCary is being held without bond on four counts of felonious assault.
foxnews.com/us/2015/07/27/cincinnati-man-shoots-at-1-year-old-boy-is-shot-by-man...

When seconds count how long does it take for the police to arrive?

In America between 7 & 12 minutes (Urban), & between 15 to 25 minutes (Rural).

Long enough for the blood to start drying, which forces them to wait before they draw the white chalk line around
your lifeless body.

That's assuming they had time to call 911 first, otherwise the Calvary ain't commin'!

Show me the lawmaker, who voted for restrictive gun laws, that would sacrifice himself/herself & step between a citizen being violently attacked & their armed attacker.....a law-abiding citizen who can't defend himself/herself because the lawmakers took away their right to protect themselves with a weapon of choice.

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