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Reply #690 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:42am
 
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 11:41pm:
You don't care about the lives of others, you want to control the lives of others. I'm sure you believe you know what is best for all of us.


Nope, I care for other humans Mort.  I also don't want to dictate to them when they act responsibly.  Problem is, too many won't where guns are concerned.  Too many crimes committed by people with the best available means to facilitate them:  Guns!

We don't let people drive cars without a minimum of training and a license.  We don't allow people to fly planes without a minimum of training and a license.  Why should we allow people to own and use guns without a minimum of training and a license?

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You really need to try to keep up, of coarse it is loaded! That is why it is in a steel box with a key pad lock. If it is found by a child the worst that can happen is the little bastard shakes the box and scars the finish on the gun!


Unless he finds the key!

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The idea that someone will call me a racist has long since lost any power over me.


Its not intended to have any power over you.  It is merely descriptive of how you and your society treat dark skinned members of that society!!!

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Black on black crime is the norm, black on white crimes are common. White on black crime is rare that is why it gets so much attention.


Crime at all should get attention.  Police officers appear to believe they aren't guilty of victimising their constituents for some reason why when they shoot them for no reason.

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Just because I have no respect for the black race doesn't mean I hate them, they will never get over their self imposed victimhood and I just don't care! The Asians don't like them, the Mexicans don't like them and the Whites are sick of them for their constant whining about everything. Nothing stops them from separating themselves from their supposed oppressors except they know they need us and we don't need them. 


Always blaming the victim.  How typically racist of you!  I'm glad I don't live in the USA, with my Indigenous partner and child with dark skin!  We'd be continually looking over our shoulder, waiting for the bullets!   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Reply #691 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:00pm
 
I got a license  to  drive  at 15, I got  a license  to  fly a plane at 19. I bought  my  first  modern  handgun  the  first  payday  after  my  21st  birthday. Quality  training  would have made  me a more accurate  shot but  a license  to buy would have  infringed on my  Right  to  self defense.

A key pad is commonly  used in home  alarm systems, employee only doors and  small safes like the  one  my  house gun stays  in. You touch a numbered pad and enter a number  combination, they don't use keys.

I have  told  you  before  our  news media  is biased  and  has its  own  agenda. What you  see  is designed  to  hold  your  interest  through  the commercials  so you  will  buy their  sponsors  products.

How smart  is it to loot the stores and burn down your  own   neighborhood  because  you feel  a social  injustice  has occurred? The only businesses to survive are the ones where the owners are armed and convince the rioters to go elsewhere. Major  store  chains will not build in those areas  because  they  know those stores will be broken into at night and robbed in the daytime. These are the people that liked to play "the knock out game", the rules are simple. Run up to a total  stranger  and hit them as hard as you can and run away laughing  at how the victim  looked or bled after the  attack.

You would  be  much  safer  with  me  then trying  to  make  nice  with  them. If it doesn't harm me or cost me money I could care less about  interfering in your  life  choices.
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Reply #692 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:44pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:00pm:
I got a license  to  drive  at 15, I got  a license  to  fly a plane at 19. I bought  my  first  modern  handgun  the  first  payday  after  my  21st  birthday. Quality  training  would have made  me a more accurate  shot but  a license  to buy would have  infringed on my  Right  to  self defense.


A license to buy would assure us that you were a responsible adult Mort!   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin

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I have  told  you  before  our  news media  is biased  and  has its  own  agenda.


You mean like Fox News?  Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin
You mean like CNN? Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin
You mean like MSNBC?  Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin

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How smart  is it to loot the stores and burn down your  own   neighborhood  because  you feel  a social  injustice  has occurred?


Perhaps they feel so frustrated they just have to strike back in some way?  Any way?  Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin

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You would  be  much  safer  with  me  then trying  to  make  nice  with  them. If it doesn't harm me or cost me money I could care less about  interfering in your  life  choices.


Unless I demand that you have a license for your firearm which includes a minimum amount of training which if you fail, you don't get your license and you don't get your guns!  Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin
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Reply #693 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 2:01pm
 
I have a license  to carry concealed  any gun I choose which requires  both a written  test as well  as proficiency with a semi-automatic handgun.
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Reply #694 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 2:35pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 2:01pm:
I have a license  to carry concealed  any gun I choose which requires  both a written  test as well  as proficiency with a semi-automatic handgun.


Yet if you fail does that mean you don't get a gun Mort?

What proficiency test do you have to satisfy in order to be allowed a gun?  Any at all or is it just open slather, come one, come all?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin
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Reply #695 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 2:46pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 2:35pm:
What proficiency test do you have to satisfy in order to be allowed a gun?  Any at all or is it just open slather, come one, come all?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin


Why don't you try google instead of trolling.

Still being retarded with your emoticons hb
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Reply #696 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 2:55pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 2:46pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 2:35pm:
What proficiency test do you have to satisfy in order to be allowed a gun?  Any at all or is it just open slather, come one, come all?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin


Why don't you try google instead of trolling.


I am asking an American for his direct input Baron.  You appear to dislike that.  I wonder why?

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Still being retarded with your emoticons hb


Nope.   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin
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Reply #697 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 3:00pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 2:55pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 2:46pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 2:35pm:
What proficiency test do you have to satisfy in order to be allowed a gun?  Any at all or is it just open slather, come one, come all?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin


Why don't you try google instead of trolling.


I am asking an American for his direct input Baron.  You appear to dislike that.  I wonder why?

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Still being retarded with your emoticons hb


Nope.   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin


You need to do a training course for CC Hb everyone knows that except hoplophobes like you,yes you are retarded with your emoticon usage.
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Reply #698 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 3:35pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 3:00pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 2:55pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 2:46pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 2:35pm:
What proficiency test do you have to satisfy in order to be allowed a gun?  Any at all or is it just open slather, come one, come all?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin


Why don't you try google instead of trolling.


I am asking an American for his direct input Baron.  You appear to dislike that.  I wonder why?

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Still being retarded with your emoticons hb


Nope.   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin


You need to do a training course for CC Hb everyone knows that except hoplophobes like you,yes you are retarded with your emoticon usage.


CC?  Concealed Carry?  Why would I want to do a course in that Baron?  I don't conceal what I carry!  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin
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Reply #699 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 6:30pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 2:01pm:
I have a license  to carry concealed  any gun I choose which requires  both a written  test as well  as proficiency with a semi-automatic handgun.


What is the written test like in the US? In Australia their is no CC permit(unless your police) and for a standard A+B long arms(non semi auto rifles, non semi or pump action shot)  license we do about a 2 hour course, with no practical gun handling.
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Reply #700 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:37pm
 
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CC?  Concealed Carry?  Why would I want to do a course in that Baron?  I don't conceal what I carry!


Are you familiar with the term to walk a mile in another mans shoes? You don't have to change your opinion but a little courtesy would be appreciated. 

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What is the written test like in the US? In Australia their is no CC permit(unless your police) and for a standard A+B long arms(non semi auto rifles, non semi or pump action shot)  license we do about a 2 hour course, with no practical gun handling


The first time someone takes the class it is about eight hours total, first four hours of class room instruction followed with a test. It will cover State Law, your Rights, the Rights of others and some examples with questions. You will also be finger printed and photographed during this time. After lunch everyone goes out to the range and places their open and empty handgun on the shooting bench along with a box of 50 cartridges and steps back. The Instructor/Range Officer will guide you safely through a firing drill that proves you have enough skill to manipulate your firearm and hit what you aim at.

Renewals go much faster, generally start in the afternoon and last about five hours. All the same material and skills are tested without the excess questions and range fumbles.
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Reply #701 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 6:51pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:37pm:
[quote]CC?  Concealed Carry?  Why would I want to do a course in that Baron?  I don't conceal what I carry!




Well, there are 7 States that now have what is called "Constitutional Carry", whereas you don't need to pass any tests, or beg apply for any permit to carry a firearm. Government approval of a permit is no longer required. The Right to carry a firearm is & always was a Right acknowledged in the Second Amendment. It is not a Privilege, but the exercise of a Right requires Personal Responsibility for the outcome of exercising the Right.



U.S. States that have "Constitutional Carry"


1 Alaska
2 Arizona
3 Arkansas
4 Kansas
5 Maine
6 Vermont
7 Wyoming (for residents)


All you need to do is what you already need by law to purchase & own a gun.

Nothing whatsoever is changed there. If you want to own a firearm you must still pass a Federal Firearm Background Check.

Now, if you live in one of the 7 "Constitutional Carry" States you need do nothing else.


You don't need a permit issued by any government of law enforcement agency, or apply for one.

You don't need to tell anyone of your intent to carry a firearm. 


In the United States, the term constitutional carry is a neologism for the legal carrying of handgun, either openly or concealed, without the requirement of a government permit.[1][2][3] The phrase does not typically refer to the unrestricted carrying of a long gun, a knife, or other weapons. The scope and applicability of such laws or proposed legislation can vary from state to state.





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The phrase "constitutional carry" reflects the view that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution permits no restrictions or other regulations on gun ownership, although District of Columbia v. Heller, decided by the Supreme Court of the United States in 2008, suggests that some state or local controls may be allowed, at least as to certain types of weapons. Prior to Heller there have been many other cases that have upheld both state and federal gun control laws under the Second Amendment. The Heller case was upheld by the Court in McDonald v. Chicago, passed in 2010, that found that the 2d and 14th Amendments to the Constitution were "fully incorporated" and thus the right to "...keep and bear arms applies to the States and not 'in a watered-down version' but 'fully applicable'...," and does limit State and Local Governments in passing Laws that restrict this "individual" and "fundamental" Right to "...keep and bear arms," for Self-Defense. Self-Defense was considered by the SCOTUS a "...central component of the 2d Amendment." All of the state laws described below operate in the context of federal regulation regarding the transfer and sale of firearms. Firearms and ammunition are subject to taxation as well.

Constitutional carry is also sometimes known as "Vermont carry",[3] "permitless carry", or "unrestricted carry."[4].....................continued






Constitutional Carry is in the works for quite a few States, where eventually all a citizen will need is the Second Amendment, & pass a background test when purchasing the firearm you intend on carrying.


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Reply #702 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 11:46pm
 
Nope, I care for other humans Mort.  I also don't want to dictate to them when they act responsibly.  Problem is, too many won't where guns are concerned.  Too many crimes committed by people with the best available means to facilitate them:  Guns!

We don't let people drive cars without a minimum of training and a license.  We don't allow people to fly planes without a minimum of training and a license.  Why should we allow people to own and use guns without a minimum of training and a license?


You only need a drivers license to drive on public roads, you can drive anything you want on private property as soon as your feet can reach the pedals!

No pilot license required to fly an ultralight in the US.

Citizens do not ask permission from their servants in government if they can protect themselves. No license required or needed for the honest adult to buy a firearm.
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Reply #703 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 9:43am
 
Mortdooley wrote on Aug 2nd, 2015 at 11:46pm:
Citizens do not ask permission from their servants in government if they can protect themselves. No license required or needed for the honest adult to buy a firearm.


That is so spot on true Mort.

Here in Australia most people can't comprehend that principal. That people are the center & core of government, not the elected (hired) government, paid to serve the wants & needs of the people, & not to dictate or assign to the People.

Here they can't seem to grasp the "all power flows down from the people to the government" in America, & as outlined in the Peoples Document.....the United States Constitution which starts with
"We the People....."


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So, when it comes down to Rights, the first 10 Amendments to the US Constitution dictates from the People to the Government how it must serve the People, what it must do for the People & how, & what it is expressly forbidden to do regarding the People.


Here in Australia Mort, all power flows down from the Government to the People, exactly opposite from America.

When it comes down to gun rights & responsibilities in America, that rests with the People.

Here in Australia the Government dictates what can & can't be done with firearms, & who can & can't have firearms as the rule rather than as an exception.......as opposed to America, where the Second Amendment is every American Citizen's (excluding a disqualified few) only necessary License to Keep & Bear arms.

Australians for the most part can't get their heads around that fact, simply because it's a type of freedom they've never truly had, & so they aren't familiar with the principal. The Australian government tells the Australian People what they don't need or want, so except for a small minority, they then  believe what they are told not to need or want.

In America Gun ownership is an individual Right, where as here in Australia it is a granted Privilege administered & controlled completely by the government.

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Reply #704 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 10:22am
 
Panther wrote on Aug 3rd, 2015 at 9:43am:
In America Gun ownership is an individual Right, where as here in Australia it is a granted Privilege administered & controlled completely by the government.



I fail to see how this state of affairs is a problem. Car ownership is a privilege that is administered and controlled completely by the government. Home ownership is a privilege that is administered and controlled completely by the government, why should Gun ownership be any different?
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