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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #660 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 8:51am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 8:36am:
What type of weapons would a well regulated militia have?


What does it even matter? Let's see...a AR-15 against a M1 Abrams tank...a predator drone?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 8:36am:
Around 300 firearm homicides every year in the USA from rifles which include assault rifles,over 6000 firearm homicides with pistols every year. The statistics show pistols result in far more deaths than Ar15's in the USA.


And your point is?

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Reply #661 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 9:25am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 8:36am:
Marla wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 12:17am:
"Your definition of Militia is not the definition that was in effect when the Constitution was written back in 1789.

That 1789ish definition, & the writings of the Founding Fathers, & the Framers of the Constitution, stated simply that each/any person of age, able to fire a firearm, & able to come to the common defense, is in & of themselves, the Militia, when they combine with others they are then a combined Militia. The Militia therefore can be made up of as little as one person, or as many as can be assembled.

Regulated in 1789 simply meant trained to a level of competency, or calibrated as in a watch or other piece of machinery, to perform properly."


A "militia" has a Constitutional right to form and with use of firearms if they citizens see a viable threat from government tyranny. That is what the 2nd Amendment was all about not carrying a god damn AR-15 or a HK93


What type of weapons would a well regulated militia have?

I think AR-15 is the exact type of weapon a well regulated militia would have.

Around 300 firearm homicides every year in the USA from rifles which include assault rifles,over 6000 firearm homicides with pistols every year.
The statistics show pistols result in far more deaths than Ar15's in the USA.






Please, don't be taken in by the left on what a well regulated militia is or isn't Baron....

In America, according to the Constitution's original intent (of the intent of its authors) a well regulated militia is any one person, or group of persons, of proper age, able to fire a firearm correctly & has had training, & that continues to train in firearm use, that is capable of assembling in behalf of the common defense, is a well regulated militia.

It is not the National Guard, or any other such organized, professional, or governmental military force.

The type of firearms, it has been ruled by the Supreme Court, can be an equivalent of those commonly used by the military.

Remember one of the most important & legitimate reasons why citizens arm themselves is self-defense.

It's not merely to shoot clay targets, deer, or feral animals, even though they can be used in that way for enjoyment & to put food on the table. 

Not just for self-defense from a criminal (mugger, rapist...) which is absolutely legitimate mind you, but more importantly self-defense from a tyrannical government.

It is a historical fact that this century alone, more citizens/people have been murdered worldwide by their own governments , then have been recorded killed in all the wars of time.

That's not paranoia, or tall tales to frighten anyone, it's a fact, pure & simple fact.




In simple terns, as originally defined by the Founding Fathers, & by the people of their time:

Well Regulated = trained to a point of proficiency.

Militia =  any one person, or group of persons,  of proper age, able to fire a firearm correctly & has had training, & that continues to train in firearm use, that is capable of assembling in behalf of the common defense.



"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials"


George Mason, One of the authors of the US Constitution, & Founding Father

"A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
 

George Washington, First President of the United States of America


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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #662 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 10:28am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 8:36am:
Marla wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 12:17am:
"Your definition of Militia is not the definition that was in effect when the Constitution was written back in 1789.

That 1789ish definition, & the writings of the Founding Fathers, & the Framers of the Constitution, stated simply that each/any person of age, able to fire a firearm, & able to come to the common defense, is in & of themselves, the Militia, when they combine with others they are then a combined Militia. The Militia therefore can be made up of as little as one person, or as many as can be assembled.

Regulated in 1789 simply meant trained to a level of competency, or calibrated as in a watch or other piece of machinery, to perform properly."


A "militia" has a Constitutional right to form and with use of firearms if they citizens see a viable threat from government tyranny. That is what the 2nd Amendment was all about not carrying a god damn AR-15 or a HK93


What type of weapons would a well regulated militia have?

I think AR-15 is the exact type of weapon a well regulated militia would have.

Around 300 firearm homicides every year in the USA from rifles which include assault rifles,over 6000 firearm homicides with pistols every year.
The statistics show pistols result in far more deaths than Ar15's in the USA.


So, lets get rid of pistols AND rifles from private hands in the USA!

Just think all the lives which would be saved!

Or is the right to fondle a fetish object more important than the life of another human being?    Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #663 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 11:34am
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 10:28am:
Or is the right to fondle a fetish object more important than the life of another human being?   


Yes, definitely.

Freedom & Liberty has its price, & aren't free.

Sometimes the price is very dear.

It's a fact, that firearms have been proven to save many, many times more lives than they take, but we are still saddened when a life is lost.

Many times they don't even need to be used, just displayed, & the incident comes to a close, probably saving thousands, upon thousands of lives.

Sometimes criminals & mental cases unfortunately use firearms, & when they do unfortunate things may happen, but that is no reason to give up the Right to Keep & Bear Arms.


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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" --Ben Franklin, beloved American Found Father




Apprehending & punishing the criminals, & diagnosing & treating the Mentally unstable is called for before all.

The gun isn't the problem, its the Criminal or the nut-job that points & fires it that's the problem. The firearm is the plastic, wood, & metal tool that does nothing without someone pulling the trigger.


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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #664 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 11:36am
 
Panther wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 11:34am:
It's a fact, that firearms have been proven to save many, many times more lives than they take.






Do you know what I'm going to say here, Panther?
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Reply #665 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 11:44am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 11:36am:
Panther wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 11:34am:
It's a fact, that firearms have been proven to save many, many times more lives than they take.






Do you know what I'm going to say here, Panther?


Something profoundly stupid I'm sure, but don't let that stop you. Never did before. Grin
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Reply #666 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 11:48am
 
Panther wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 11:44am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 11:36am:
Panther wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 11:34am:
It's a fact, that firearms have been proven to save many, many times more lives than they take.






Do you know what I'm going to say here, Panther?


Something profoundly stupid I'm sure, but don't let that stop you. Never did before. Grin



Well if asking for evidence, when someone says its a fact is profoundly stupid, then go right ahead.
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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #667 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 12:05pm
 
Most shooters I know  have  at least  one  AR-15 and none  of  them  have  a  criminal  record.
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Reply #668 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 12:12pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 11:48am:
Panther wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 11:34am:
It's a fact, that firearms have been proven to save many, many times more lives than they take.




Well if asking for evidence, when someone says its a fact is profoundly stupid, then go right ahead.


Well, that isn't very easy, mainly because unlike everyday crimes, where someone is victimized, most good outcomes like saved lives, & avoided holdups, or prevented stabbings, or rapes don't make it to the crime statistic document pages of the reporting agencies.

That said, there have been a number of studies, & the information gotten from them paint an overwhelming picture, & even if one would partially reduce their findings, the end result remains the same. Guns, & gun use prevent many more crimes in America (murders included), then murders committed with them.


Because of character count restrictions I have chosen to present the evidence in the following form along with it's source.


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source:http://bit.ly/1D3ZdVR

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Reply #669 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 12:44pm
 
Panther wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 11:34am:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 10:28am:
Or is the right to fondle a fetish object more important than the life of another human being?   


Yes, definitely.

Freedom & Liberty has its price, & aren't free.

Sometimes the price is very dear.


Most of the time it appears to be the lives of innocents which suffer at the hands of "law abiding firearm owners" in the United States.  Good to see you've set a price on your freedom!  Do you have any family living with you?  Are they aware that their lives are in the bargain for your freedom?    Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
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Reply #670 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 12:46pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 12:05pm:
Most shooters I know  have  at least  one  AR-15 and none  of  them  have  a  criminal  record.


So, does that mean all AR-15 owners are not criminals Mort?   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #671 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 1:25pm
 
Marla wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 8:51am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 8:36am:
What type of weapons would a well regulated militia have?


What does it even matter? Let's see...a AR-15 against a M1 Abrams tank...a predator drone?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 8:36am:
Around 300 firearm homicides every year in the USA from rifles which include assault rifles,over 6000 firearm homicides with pistols every year. The statistics show pistols result in far more deaths than Ar15's in the USA.


And your point is?



The Kurdish militias the YPG and YPJ are doing alright with small arms against the Islamic state who have USA tanks and weapons.
Would that be an example of a well regulated militia kicking ass against superior weapons?

Guns like your pistols cause the most firearm deaths in the USA Marla,twice as many people are killed with fists and feet compared to rifles in the USA every year which includes assault rifles.
Why is the focus on Ar-15's when pistols and fists and feet kill far more people every day?
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Reply #672 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 1:45pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 10:28am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 8:36am:
Marla wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 12:17am:
"Your definition of Militia is not the definition that was in effect when the Constitution was written back in 1789.

That 1789ish definition, & the writings of the Founding Fathers, & the Framers of the Constitution, stated simply that each/any person of age, able to fire a firearm, & able to come to the common defense, is in & of themselves, the Militia, when they combine with others they are then a combined Militia. The Militia therefore can be made up of as little as one person, or as many as can be assembled.

Regulated in 1789 simply meant trained to a level of competency, or calibrated as in a watch or other piece of machinery, to perform properly."


A "militia" has a Constitutional right to form and with use of firearms if they citizens see a viable threat from government tyranny. That is what the 2nd Amendment was all about not carrying a god damn AR-15 or a HK93


What type of weapons would a well regulated militia have?

I think AR-15 is the exact type of weapon a well regulated militia would have.

Around 300 firearm homicides every year in the USA from rifles which include assault rifles,over 6000 firearm homicides with pistols every year.
The statistics show pistols result in far more deaths than Ar15's in the USA.


So, lets get rid of pistols AND rifles from private hands in the USA!

Just think all the lives which would be saved!



Just think of all the lives that could be saved if you stopped these kids from having guns HB.
Why are you silent about this gun culture do you approve of it?
news.com.au/world/middle-east/islamic-state-hits-sickening-new-low-with-video-of...
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Reply #673 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 1:55pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 1:25pm:
.....Why is the focus on Ar-15's when pistols and fists and feet kill far more people every day?


'Cuz Fists & Feets are sexier & more attractive than the Scarey, Big 'n Bad, Horrifying, the Devils own, Man-Killer, Assault Rifle, the AR15 . ...

9 Year Old & Her New AR15 out shoots  her Sharp Shooter Daddy


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Reply #674 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 3:13pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 1:45pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 10:28am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 8:36am:
Marla wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 12:17am:
"Your definition of Militia is not the definition that was in effect when the Constitution was written back in 1789.

That 1789ish definition, & the writings of the Founding Fathers, & the Framers of the Constitution, stated simply that each/any person of age, able to fire a firearm, & able to come to the common defense, is in & of themselves, the Militia, when they combine with others they are then a combined Militia. The Militia therefore can be made up of as little as one person, or as many as can be assembled.

Regulated in 1789 simply meant trained to a level of competency, or calibrated as in a watch or other piece of machinery, to perform properly."


A "militia" has a Constitutional right to form and with use of firearms if they citizens see a viable threat from government tyranny. That is what the 2nd Amendment was all about not carrying a god damn AR-15 or a HK93


What type of weapons would a well regulated militia have?

I think AR-15 is the exact type of weapon a well regulated militia would have.

Around 300 firearm homicides every year in the USA from rifles which include assault rifles,over 6000 firearm homicides with pistols every year.
The statistics show pistols result in far more deaths than Ar15's in the USA.


So, lets get rid of pistols AND rifles from private hands in the USA!

Just think all the lives which would be saved!



Just think of all the lives that could be saved if you stopped these kids from having guns HB.
Why are you silent about this gun culture do you approve of it?
news.com.au/world/middle-east/islamic-state-hits-sickening-new-low-with-video-of...


Yes it is terrible.  As bad as any society which has fixated on guns as a source of power.  Just like the United States where children are taught to shoot sub-machine guns and semi-automatic rifles Baron.  I condemn them all.  Do you or are you being selective in your criticism (again)?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy


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