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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #615 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:26pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:00pm:
Iosef Dzhugashvili used to say that about his rule.   How many people have left the township since that law was introduced because they didn't want to have to be armed?

Appears you're willing to accept oppression when it suits you.  Typical hypocrite. 

Most oppressors claim that the people they are oppressing are happy and care free.   Reality is somewhat different...    Roll Eyes


People don't leave Kennesaw because they don't want to be forced to own guns.

This is a false argument you make Bry, because they don't enforce the law, & no one has ever been cited for being in violation of the gun law since
the laws adoption in 1982 fool.

No oppression, no citizen complaints, just a fake claim from a typical agenda driven head deep in the ass anti-gunner leftist, making false accusations about  people he hasn't a clue about, doesn't know, & never will.

Burns his ass that people actually like guns, & want to live side by side in Freedom & Liberty with their guns, not oppressed by a gun-grabbing, anti-freedom  government , but in total control of their government hired to serve them, like it should be.

... Brian, go troll another topic.   ...
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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #616 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:48pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 6:22pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 10:45pm:
Heavily armed vigilantes patrol military centers to 'stop' another Chattanooga

A vigilante (/ˌvɪdʒɪˈlænti/, /ˌvɪdʒɪˈlænteɪ/; Spanish: [bixiˈlante]; Portuguese: [viʒiˈlɐ̃t(ɨ)], [viʒiˈlɐ̃tʃi]) is a civilian or organization that undertakes law enforcement (or actions in the pursuit of self-perceived justice) that is without legal authority.

Those are not "vigilantes", they are concerned citizens who care more about the safety of our military people then that corrupt community organizer in DC!

One light rifle with a little extra ammo is not heavily armed, just because some liberal reporters soiled him/her selves over the picture doesn't change that!



You have evidence that your President is Corrupt?   If you have, why haven't you reported it to the authorities for him to be impeached over or are you just throwing mud in the hope it will stick?    Roll Eyes


I won't dig up any links for you but you could do your own research to try to prove me wrong!
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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #617 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 10:37pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 6:22pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 10:45pm:
Heavily armed vigilantes patrol military centers to 'stop' another Chattanooga

A vigilante (/ˌvɪdʒɪˈlænti/, /ˌvɪdʒɪˈlænteɪ/; Spanish: [bixiˈlante]; Portuguese: [viʒiˈlɐ̃t(ɨ)], [viʒiˈlɐ̃tʃi]) is a civilian or organization that undertakes law enforcement (or actions in the pursuit of self-perceived justice) that is without legal authority.

Those are not "vigilantes", they are concerned citizens who care more about the safety of our military people then that corrupt community organizer in DC!

One light rifle with a little extra ammo is not heavily armed, just because some liberal reporters soiled him/her selves over the picture doesn't change that!



You have evidence that your President is Corrupt?   If you have, why haven't you reported it to the authorities for him to be impeached over or are you just throwing mud in the hope it will stick?    Roll Eyes


I won't dig up any links for you but you could do your own research to try to prove me wrong!



Sorry thats not how science or even criminal justice works.
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Reply #618 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 10:53pm
 
Really, well here in Bizarro World the Law as well as Science seems to be whatever those in power say it is.
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Reply #619 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 11:21pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 10:53pm:
Really, well here in Bizarro World the Law as well as Science seems to be whatever those in power say it is.



You really are batshit crazy
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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #620 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 1:00am
 
Panther wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:00pm:
Iosef Dzhugashvili used to say that about his rule.   How many people have left the township since that law was introduced because they didn't want to have to be armed?

Appears you're willing to accept oppression when it suits you.  Typical hypocrite. 

Most oppressors claim that the people they are oppressing are happy and care free.   Reality is somewhat different...    Roll Eyes


People don't leave Kennesaw because they don't want to be forced to own guns.


You have evidence that supports that statement?

If not, you will apologise, I take it?  Roll Eyes

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This is a false argument you make Bry, because they don't enforce the law, & no one has ever been cited for being in violation of the gun law since
the laws adoption in 1982 fool.

No oppression, no citizen complaints, just a fake claim from a typical agenda driven head deep in the ass anti-gunner leftist, making false accusations about  people he hasn't a clue about, doesn't know, & never will.

Burns his ass that people actually like guns, & want to live side by side in Freedom & Liberty with their guns, not oppressed by a gun-grabbing, anti-freedom  government , but in total control of their government hired to serve them, like it should be.

http://imgur.com/MmJgF7o.gif Brian, go troll another topic.   http://i.imgur.com/wgENiib.jpg


I don't have a Donkey so I am unsure whose Donkey you're attempting to enflame...

As far as I am concerned, you're welcome to you guns but then, you must also accept that you end up with a society where random people open fire at random times, killing random people in your society.   I feel sorry for President Obama, trapped by a society that needs to change but won't change.     Roll Eyes
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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #621 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 1:01am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 11:21pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 10:53pm:
Really, well here in Bizarro World the Law as well as Science seems to be whatever those in power say it is.



You really are batshit crazy


He is an American, being batshit crazy is part and parcel of his upbringing...   Roll Eyes
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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #622 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 11:15am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 1:00am:
Panther wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:00pm:
Iosef Dzhugashvili used to say that about his rule.   How many people have left the township since that law was introduced because they didn't want to have to be armed?

Appears you're willing to accept oppression when it suits you.  Typical hypocrite. 

Most oppressors claim that the people they are oppressing are happy and care free.   Reality is somewhat different...    Roll Eyes


People don't leave Kennesaw because they don't want to be forced to own guns.


You have evidence that supports that statement?

If not, you will apologise, I take it?  Roll Eyes

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This is a false argument you make Bry, because they don't enforce the law, & no one has ever been cited for being in violation of the gun law since
the laws adoption in 1982 fool.

No oppression, no citizen complaints, just a fake claim from a typical agenda driven head deep in the ass anti-gunner leftist, making false accusations about  people he hasn't a clue about, doesn't know, & never will.

Burns his ass that people actually like guns, & want to live side by side in Freedom & Liberty with their guns, not oppressed by a gun-grabbing, anti-freedom  government , but in total control of their government hired to serve them, like it should be.

http://imgur.com/MmJgF7o.gif Brian, go troll another topic.   http://i.imgur.com/wgENiib.jpg


As far as I am concerned, you're welcome to you guns but then, you must also accept that you end up with a society where random people open fire at random times, killing random people in your society.   I feel sorry for President Obama, trapped by a society that needs to change but won't change.     Roll Eyes


Yes, I presented my evidence in prior posts (see & actually read my links). They don't "FORCE" people to own guns (they could if they wanted to though) because they don't enforce the law, & nobody has ever been cited for being in violation of the gun law since the laws inception & adoption in 1982.

This law works because it's a known fact that criminals go to great lengths (criminals have been interviewed on camera stating just that) to avoid places where there's a high likelihood that their victims are probably armed.

Now your shoot 'em up scenario.

Freedom doesn't come free, so there will be outlaws who are exceptions to the rule of peacefulness & respectability. This is an accepted fact.

If the alternative is to give up rights, freedoms, & liberty to buy a little security, forget it.



Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father said:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"




Americans consider the
Inalienable Right
(not granted by the Constitution, but acknowledged in it) to Keep & Bear Arms is one of the most Essential of all Rights & Liberties.

Americans are counting the minutes until the Failed Experiment is out of the Oval Office, & back to Community Organizing in Chicago (on record as the most corrupt city in America before Obama left).

So, in the end, any thought of Disarming America is like an ant moving the Rubber Tree Plant. The gun-grabbin' left has high hopes, but it ain't gun-na happen in our lifetimes, if ever. Wink


Firearms are a permanent part of American culture, & all your leftist whingin' & Crocodile tears ain't gunna change that.  Wink





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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #623 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 11:39am
 
Panther wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 11:15am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 1:00am:
Panther wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:00pm:
Iosef Dzhugashvili used to say that about his rule.   How many people have left the township since that law was introduced because they didn't want to have to be armed?

Appears you're willing to accept oppression when it suits you.  Typical hypocrite. 

Most oppressors claim that the people they are oppressing are happy and care free.   Reality is somewhat different...    Roll Eyes


People don't leave Kennesaw because they don't want to be forced to own guns.


You have evidence that supports that statement?

If not, you will apologise, I take it?  Roll Eyes

Quote:
This is a false argument you make Bry, because they don't enforce the law, & no one has ever been cited for being in violation of the gun law since
the laws adoption in 1982 fool.

No oppression, no citizen complaints, just a fake claim from a typical agenda driven head deep in the ass anti-gunner leftist, making false accusations about  people he hasn't a clue about, doesn't know, & never will.

Burns his ass that people actually like guns, & want to live side by side in Freedom & Liberty with their guns, not oppressed by a gun-grabbing, anti-freedom  government , but in total control of their government hired to serve them, like it should be.

http://imgur.com/MmJgF7o.gif Brian, go troll another topic.   http://i.imgur.com/wgENiib.jpg


As far as I am concerned, you're welcome to you guns but then, you must also accept that you end up with a society where random people open fire at random times, killing random people in your society.   I feel sorry for President Obama, trapped by a society that needs to change but won't change.     Roll Eyes


Yes, I presented my evidence in prior posts (see & actually read my links). They don't "FORCE" people to own guns (they could if they wanted to though) because they don't enforce the law, & nobody has ever been cited for being in violation of the gun law since the laws inception & adoption in 1982.


The law exists.  It is oppressive.  It states that you must own a gun if you live within the city limits.  Therefore, enforced or not, it is logically an oppressive law.  That you support it, means you are supporting an oppressive law.  You don't care one whit about real freedom, Panther.  You are a hypocrite.  QED.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #624 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 11:48am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 1:01am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 11:21pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 10:53pm:
Really, well here in Bizarro World the Law as well as Science seems to be whatever those in power say it is.



You really are batshit crazy


He is an American, being batshit crazy is part and parcel of his upbringing...   Roll Eyes


He is just a minority bwian,are you tarring all Americans with the same brush?
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Reply #625 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 12:42pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 11:48am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 1:01am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 11:21pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 10:53pm:
Really, well here in Bizarro World the Law as well as Science seems to be whatever those in power say it is.



You really are batshit crazy


He is an American, being batshit crazy is part and parcel of his upbringing...   Roll Eyes


He is just a minority bwian,are you tarring all Americans with the same brush?


He may be a 'perceived' minority, but those just like him could very well be a 'silent' majority.
Similar to the actual number of firearms in America, & who owns them, it's only a best guess estimate. In reality though, it's definitely closer to a total unknown because there isn't any Federal Registration Database in America, never has been.....it's illegal.

Even in American localities where some form of registration is "mandatory", getting better than 15%  --  20% participation/compliance is a monumental challenge for government.

Recently, after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings, Connecticut passed a knee-jerk firearm law that said, among many things, that all 'so called' scarey assault rifles, AR15s, must be registered, thousands upon thousands of AR15 owners (over 50,000 its estimated) refused to do so, & refuse to till this day even though it is punishable under Connecticut law.

Source: 
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Of the estimated 375,000-400,000 firearms deemed “assault weapons” by the state,  more than 325,000 remain undocumented. Only about 50,000 were registered........
.......The requirement to register standard capacity magazines was laughed at even louder by the citizenry; just 38,000 (less than 2 percent) of an estimated 2 million standard capacity magazines holding greater than ten rounds of ammunition were registered with the state......


Effectively, this was the way Connecticut Gun Owning Citizens basically Nullified that knee-jerk Law.

They openly dared the Government to "Come 'n get 'em!".

Considering Connecticut is considered one of the last renaming 'true' Blue States  --  firmly left of center, Democrat  --  I guess it tells the true story of where Middle America actually stands on Gun Rights.

To date the government can't figure out what to do  --  they're out matched (& out gunned) by a rock steady, organized citizenry. Many in Local Law Enforcement there say they will refuse to enforce that law in a show of solidarity with the citizenry.

For those that aren't familiar, this happens more often than you would think in the States.

Americans don't like government getting into their concerns  --  toying with their rights, freedom, & liberty.

It's been that way for hundreds of years.

I strongly agree with the basic American attitude of openly distrusting government.

Government should never be trusted absolutely, nor should government have any uninvited right into any citizens personal, & private life. An officer needs evidence of criminality or dangerousness before he may detain and disarm a law-abiding citizen openly carrying a firearm.

I also think I would tend to agree with Mort way, way more than I would disagree, & unlike many,  I don't see Mort's views (that I know of) as being too,
far from center in America. Wink

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Reply #626 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 2:29pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 11:48am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 1:01am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 11:21pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 10:53pm:
Really, well here in Bizarro World the Law as well as Science seems to be whatever those in power say it is.



You really are batshit crazy


He is an American, being batshit crazy is part and parcel of his upbringing...   Roll Eyes


He is just a minority bwian,are you tarring all Americans with the same brush?


Ah, so you agree that he is "batshit crazy", Baron.  How very interesting...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #627 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 3:26pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 11:39am:
The law exists.  It is oppressive.  It states that you must own a gun if you live within the city limits.  Therefore, enforced or not, it is logically an oppressive law....... 


Noun: oppression
1. The act of subjugating by cruelty
2. The state of being kept down by unjust use of force or authority
3. A feeling of being oppressed


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#3.... Oppression is a feeling, & if the public doesn't perceive/feel the law to be overly unjust, by definition it isn't & can't be oppressive.

#2.... If the law isn't enforced, & as in #3 the population doesn't consider the law oppressive, it flatly fails to be oppressive.

#1..... See #2, & #3 ..... there is no cruelty whatsoever, therefore it isn't oppressive.

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Bry..........how's the crow taste buddy!?  Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #628 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 3:29pm
 
You have provide no evidence to prove that people do not feel oppressed by this law.  You have only provided opinion.   I look forward to you presentation of your research.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #629 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 3:51pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 3:29pm:
You have provide no evidence to prove that people do not feel oppressed by this law.  You have only provided opinion.   I look forward to you presentation of your research.    Roll Eyes


Read my link(s) earlier.

The mere fact that since the law's passage in 1982 the town has grown seven fold in population, & is still growing is testimony to the fact that there isn't oppression in that town, & opposite to your contention that people are leaving, the population has soared....not diminished.

It' is you Brian that need to prove that the people are "Oppressed", & that they are leaving the city in numbers because of your unfounded assertions.

Sh!t or get off the pot Bry.....You prove  your false assertion that people have left because they don't want to own a firearm. That's your claim, not mine. My only claim about leaving is that they would have no reason to leave unless they simply wanted to leave as is their right, not because of any feelings of Oppression, which I've presented repeatedly.

Times runnin' out on you sonny, the walls are closin' in on ya.....there's nowhere left to run.......

Balls in yer court laddy, time to sh!t or get off the pot!

So far all you've done is flap your gums & spew yer verbal diarrhea about the city, its citizens, & how they feel.....but
substantiated absolutely bothing....ziltch.....zero....Nada Wink  Roll Eyes


   
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