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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 117559 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Disarming USA Reply #60 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 8:14am Jeff, the fact is that 3,000 people dying during 911 was enough for the USA to go on a massive global war on terror but every year 30,000 people die from guns in the USA. Isn't the real terror on the streets & in the homes of Americans who seem to find any excuse to shoot each other?
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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #61 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 12:49pm

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Government cannot disarm the United States, because of the 2nd amendment in the US Constitution. It will only go to the Supreme Court with overly obvious winning side (gun owners) as long as the 1776 version exists.

It's odd that the Americans still consider this relevant. It was discarded a long time ago. They just forgot to update the piece of paper. It's time the yanks updated their constitution to reflect their reality. It is obviously a flawed document, and ignoring this only undermines the rest of it.

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No. We need to figure out how to get those 8,000 victims in a better position to shoot back. I recommend gun carry permits and better tactical training.

Perhaps the yanks should make them apply for victimhood status before getting a gun? Victims never kill people, do they? This is another way the NRA has lowered the IQ of the gun debate - by making people see the issue in absurdly simplistic 'good guy' and 'bad guy' terms.

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That's also why I am capable of independent thought

LOL. All I see is you parroting empty headed NRA propaganda. You struggle once it gets beyond your trite little one-liners.

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Yes, I am. When someone has committed to the decision to end their life, the means they use to do it is irrelevant. I've seen inmates hang themselves when they lacked access to sharp objects or firearms and I've seen other inmates poison themselves when they lacked the skills to tie a good knot.

So every suicide attempt succeeds? What planet are you on?

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #62 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:06pm

Yes, I am. When someone has committed to the decision to end their life, the means they use to do it is irrelevant. I've seen inmates hang themselves when they lacked access to sharp objects or firearms and I've seen other inmates poison themselves when they lacked the skills to tie a good knot. According to stats I have seen, there are about 30 countries with suicide rates higher than that of the United States. At least 27 of which, have much more restrictive firearms laws than we do. It doesn't help them, why would it help us?

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When someone decides to end their life is a process. You can't argue it isn't... and you can't even argue it's the same process for all. You, therefore- as someone who obviously thinks he can responsibly make life and death calls, can't say lives wouldn't be saved by easier access to guns.

..be careful of that slippery slope won't ya mr nuclear power bred smart guy!!!!

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #63 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:13pm

freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 12:49pm:

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Government cannot disarm the United States, because of the 2nd amendment in the US Constitution. It will only go to the Supreme Court with overly obvious winning side (gun owners) as long as the 1776 version exists.

It's odd that the Americans still consider this relevant. It was discarded a long time ago. They just forgot to update the piece of paper. It's time the yanks updated their constitution to reflect their reality. It is obviously a flawed document, and ignoring this only undermines the rest of it.

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No. We need to figure out how to get those 8,000 victims in a better position to shoot back. I recommend gun carry permits and better tactical training.

Perhaps the yanks should make them apply for victimhood status before getting a gun? Victims never kill people, do they? This is another way the NRA has lowered the IQ of the gun debate - by making people see the issue in absurdly simplistic 'good guy' and 'bad guy' terms.

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That's also why I am capable of independent thought

LOL. All I see is you parroting empty headed NRA propaganda. You struggle once it gets beyond your trite little one-liners.

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Yes, I am. When someone has committed to the decision to end their life, the means they use to do it is irrelevant. I've seen inmates hang themselves when they lacked access to sharp objects or firearms and I've seen other inmates poison themselves when they lacked the skills to tie a good knot.

So every suicide attempt succeeds? What planet are you on?

Well argued FD.

The Yanks are gun crazy.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #64 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 9:27pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:13pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 12:49pm:

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Government cannot disarm the United States, because of the 2nd amendment in the US Constitution. It will only go to the Supreme Court with overly obvious winning side (gun owners) as long as the 1776 version exists.

It's odd that the Americans still consider this relevant. It was discarded a long time ago. They just forgot to update the piece of paper. It's time the yanks updated their constitution to reflect their reality. It is obviously a flawed document, and ignoring this only undermines the rest of it.

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No. We need to figure out how to get those 8,000 victims in a better position to shoot back. I recommend gun carry permits and better tactical training.

Perhaps the yanks should make them apply for victimhood status before getting a gun? Victims never kill people, do they? This is another way the NRA has lowered the IQ of the gun debate - by making people see the issue in absurdly simplistic 'good guy' and 'bad guy' terms.

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That's also why I am capable of independent thought

LOL. All I see is you parroting empty headed NRA propaganda. You struggle once it gets beyond your trite little one-liners.

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Yes, I am. When someone has committed to the decision to end their life, the means they use to do it is irrelevant. I've seen inmates hang themselves when they lacked access to sharp objects or firearms and I've seen other inmates poison themselves when they lacked the skills to tie a good knot.

So every suicide attempt succeeds? What planet are you on?

Well argued FD.

The Yanks are gun crazy.

There are plenty of countries around the world that have similar gun ownership rates as the USA, and yet DO NOT have the violence and gun related deaths as the USA does.

Why do you think that is the case Bobby?

Incidentally Bobby, the USA only makes up about 5% of the global Population and yet consumes about 85% of the worlds Legal pharmaceutical drugs. A similar percentage for illicit drugs.

About 25% of the US population are on some sort of psychological medication before the age of 30.

Their mass media and Hollywood junk culture is peppered with violence, fear and racism.

I have a hunch that if they didn't have any guns, they would clobber themselves to death with baseball bats.

tackle the root causes first - the access to high powered weapons certainly doesn't help things - but tackle the underlying causes for this insane society

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #65 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 10:27pm

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tackle the root causes first

Sounds like a deflection to me. Why not tackle all the causes? If the suburban arms race is contributing to the death rate, why not address it at the same time? The "root causes" will never be completely eradicated. As the NRA morons so eloquently point out, guns don't kill people, people do. Are you going to get rid of all the people before the guns? Gotta have priorities eh?

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Disarming USA Reply #66 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 8:07pm If a person has a right to life and has a right to defend that life against unlawful attack then that person has a right to sufficient means to defend said life.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52611 At my desk.	Re: Disarming USA Reply #67 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 8:52am That sounds great, until you try to draw the line somewhere. Guns are not some kind of fundamental human right. Self defense is pretty far down on the list of reasonable justifications for having one.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22676 A cat with a view	Re: Disarming USA Reply #68 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:09am freediver wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:56pm: Quote: Guns don't kill people - people do. Oh great, more empty headed sloganeering from the NRA. They have spent billions lowering the IQ of the gun debate by 20 points.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22676 A cat with a view	Re: Disarming USA Reply #69 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:11am freediver wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:56pm: Quote: Guns don't kill people - people do. Oh great, more empty headed sloganeering from the NRA. They have spent billions lowering the IQ of the gun debate by 20 points.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22676 A cat with a view	Re: Disarming USA Reply #70 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:12am freediver wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:56pm: Quote: Guns don't kill people - people do. Oh great, more empty headed sloganeering from the NRA. They have spent billions lowering the IQ of the gun debate by 20 points.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22676 A cat with a view	Re: Disarming USA Reply #71 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:14am freediver wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:56pm: Quote: Guns don't kill people - people do. Oh great, more empty headed sloganeering from the NRA. They have spent billions lowering the IQ of the gun debate by 20 points.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22676 A cat with a view	Re: Disarming USA Reply #72 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:15am freediver wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:56pm: Quote: Guns don't kill people - people do. Oh great, more empty headed sloganeering from the NRA. They have spent billions lowering the IQ of the gun debate by 20 points.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22676 A cat with a view	Re: Disarming USA Reply #73 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:38am freediver wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:56pm: Quote: Guns don't kill people - people do. Oh great, more empty headed sloganeering from the NRA. They have spent billions lowering the IQ of the gun debate by 20 points.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22676 A cat with a view	Re: Disarming USA Reply #74 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:40am freediver wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:56pm: Quote: Guns don't kill people - people do. Oh great, more empty headed sloganeering from the NRA. They have spent billions lowering the IQ of the gun debate by 20 points. a better presented pic....
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