I have no idea where you got this tripe about me wanting a complete ban from, but I hope for your sake that you didn't go to the trouble of typing all that nonsense out. It looks like you found a website that gives you a string of random idiotic pro-gun slogans.

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 6:58pm:


So if a thug kills, robs, or injures someone with a knife, bat, or syringe the law doesn't punish them as severely as if they used a gun? Murder is murder no matter what weapon is used. The same is true of armed robbery. What about the crimes that are stopped or prevented by armed citizens? Those events aren't nearly as popular in the news papers as the acts of violence committed by thugs.  Private citizens accounted for about 1/3 of justified homicides (by gun use) in 2011. I dislike thugs as much and probably a lot more than most people so why not make their life a little more difficult by treating them like the dangerous predators they are?  Oh yeah, by the way. I am a proud NRA member and work frequently in my county and state to educate folks about guns and crime.

Jeff, what laws or policies are currently in place to prevent mentally ill people from obtaining firearms in the US?

BobbytheBat1, 30,000 sounds about right but the most current stats have less than 9,000 as murders. The rest were suicides, and accidents. Of the 9,000 or so murders about 1200 were thug vs thug. The USAs violent crime rates have been falling steadily for the last few decades while private firearms ownership, and the wearing of firearms have been increasing.


Also of note, in hospital deaths by medical errors are at 190,000 per year. Hospitals and sleepy doctors are much more dangerous than guns but we aren't banning them.

Jeff from Tennessee wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 5:39pm:



Accidents & suicides statistics are still people who died from guns.

It's the same as having ten  911 incidents every year.

Don't you find that shocking?

Jeff from Tennessee wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 6:03pm:

To say that suicidal thoughts won't be acted on with easyier access to guns is highly controversial!

Anti-gun crowd here, Jeff. No sympathy.

Of course, there is unlikely anyone here who has had the experience of crowding approx. 250 'roos into the corner of a wheat paddock and shotgunning the lot. Then heaping them up and burning them so as not to pose a health hazard.

Not a pleasant experience, to be sure - but one that was made from a purely economic point of view, all those years ago.

We did that for six days. Even though the 'roos slowed down, my uncle's wheat harvest was halved that year.

Then again, I've shot pigs that have been eating almost newborn lambs as the ewes have been prostrate in the field giving birth.

Criminals and coppers carry handguns here - at times you would be hard pressed to separate between the two.

Howard and Heston have a lot to answer for. 

Always bear in mind, of course, I've met a lot of people that might have needed shooting - and I've never considered it. 

I've cut throats too - but God never asked it of me. My non-God never asks for sacrifices - unlike some 'gods' who do.

T'was only ever for the table - I had never considered that a sheep could be construed as a victim (especially considering what happens when we export them).

Ferals, introduced species, bloody nuisances, culling - the list goes on.

Don't waste your breath, Jeff - there are none so blind as those who cannot see.

They still think caliber is a measure of an individual's worth!

freediver wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 7:17pm:


Perceptive, aren't you?

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No. We need to figure out how to get those 8,000 victims in a better position to shoot back. I recommend gun carry permits and better tactical training.

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It doesn't. Government schools are a travesty and should never have been allowed in the first place, that's why I was homeschooled. That's also why I am capable of independent thought, unlike many here in the states, and apparently in Australia also.

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Yes, I am. When someone has committed to the decision to end their life, the means they use to do it is irrelevant. I've seen inmates hang themselves when they lacked access to sharp objects or firearms and I've seen other inmates poison themselves when they lacked the skills to tie a good knot. According to stats I have seen, there are about 30 countries with suicide rates higher than that of the United States. At least 27 of which, have much more restrictive firearms laws than we do. It doesn't help them, why would it help us?