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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #585 - Jul 9^th, 2015 at 11:20pm

If your Government is going to get away with ignoring the Constitution like ours does today a Bill Or Rights will do you no good! After all a Government can not grant rights, only privilege. It can only protect or deny your natural Rights and ours have been replaced with group privilege. We live in the age of Quotas and Political Correctness.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #588 - Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:26pm

Panther wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 11:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:27pm:

Oh its the USA they vcan shoot each other if they want.

Is that your attempt at being coherent?

The hoplophobes are idiotic.

It's against the law to shoot someone in the USA unless it's self defence,Russell Crowe was sued for heaps just for throwing a phone at someone,imagine the strife Russell would have been in if he shot him instead of throwing something at him.

Murder and even attempted murder are illegal in the USA, don't tell the hoplophobes I find their idiocy amusing, no wonder they fritter away their lives in this forum they lack the intelligence to get a job.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #589 - Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:40pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 11:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:27pm:

Oh its the USA they vcan shoot each other if they want.

Is that your attempt at being coherent?

The hoplophobes are idiotic.

It's against the law to shoot someone in the USA unless it's self defence,Russell Crowe was sued for heaps just for throwing a phone at someone,imagine the strife Russell would have been in if he shot him instead of throwing something at him.

Murder and even attempted murder are illegal in the USA, don't tell the hoplophobes I find their idiocy amusing, no wonder they fritter away their lives in this forum they lack the intelligence to get a job.

Amazing, though isn't it. Its illegal, but it never stops them. Fancy that.

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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #590 - Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:45pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 11:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:27pm:

Oh its the USA they vcan shoot each other if they want.

Is that your attempt at being coherent?

The hoplophobes are idiotic.

It's against the law to shoot someone in the USA unless it's self defence,Russell Crowe was sued for heaps just for throwing a phone at someone,imagine the strife Russell would have been in if he shot him instead of throwing something at him.

Murder and even attempted murder are illegal in the USA, don't tell the hoplophobes I find their idiocy amusing, no wonder they fritter away their lives in this forum they lack the intelligence to get a job.

Amazing, though isn't it. Its illegal, but it never stops them. Fancy that.

Drugs are illegal as well,but that never stops people from taking drugs.Fancy that.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #591 - Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:46pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 11:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:27pm:

Oh its the USA they vcan shoot each other if they want.

Is that your attempt at being coherent?

The hoplophobes are idiotic.

It's against the law to shoot someone in the USA unless it's self defence,Russell Crowe was sued for heaps just for throwing a phone at someone,imagine the strife Russell would have been in if he shot him instead of throwing something at him.

Murder and even attempted murder are illegal in the USA, don't tell the hoplophobes I find their idiocy amusing, no wonder they fritter away their lives in this forum they lack the intelligence to get a job.

Amazing, though isn't it. Its illegal, but it never stops them. Fancy that.

Drugs are illegal as well,but that never stops people from taking drugs.Fancy that.

So you're suggesting legalising heroin?

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #592 - Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:52pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:46pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 11:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:27pm:

Oh its the USA they vcan shoot each other if they want.

Is that your attempt at being coherent?

The hoplophobes are idiotic.

It's against the law to shoot someone in the USA unless it's self defence,Russell Crowe was sued for heaps just for throwing a phone at someone,imagine the strife Russell would have been in if he shot him instead of throwing something at him.

Murder and even attempted murder are illegal in the USA, don't tell the hoplophobes I find their idiocy amusing, no wonder they fritter away their lives in this forum they lack the intelligence to get a job.

Amazing, though isn't it. Its illegal, but it never stops them. Fancy that.

Drugs are illegal as well,but that never stops people from taking drugs.Fancy that.

So you're suggesting legalising heroin?

Can you cite where I said that or did you pluck that from your ass?

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #593 - Jul 10^th, 2015 at 2:09pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:52pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:46pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 11:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:27pm:

Oh its the USA they vcan shoot each other if they want.

Is that your attempt at being coherent?

The hoplophobes are idiotic.

It's against the law to shoot someone in the USA unless it's self defence,Russell Crowe was sued for heaps just for throwing a phone at someone,imagine the strife Russell would have been in if he shot him instead of throwing something at him.

Murder and even attempted murder are illegal in the USA, don't tell the hoplophobes I find their idiocy amusing, no wonder they fritter away their lives in this forum they lack the intelligence to get a job.

Amazing, though isn't it. Its illegal, but it never stops them. Fancy that.

Drugs are illegal as well,but that never stops people from taking drugs.Fancy that.

So you're suggesting legalising heroin?

Can you cite where I said that or did you pluck that from your ass?

Well its logically consistent.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #594 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 12:08pm

When terrorists attack armed services recruiting stations in America, the recruiters are sitting ducks because by law the military recruiters are not permitted to carry firearms.

The recruiting stations are "Gun Free Zones".

Well, if the Government won't defend & protect those who enlisted to defend & protect the Constitution & the people, the people take matters into their own hands.

DEFENDING the DEFENDERS

They come from all around, fully armed, to protect those servicemen who aren't permitted to defend themselves as a sign of appreciation for their service, & to tell the Government that they won't stand for any of their own to be shot down without being given the right to defend themselves if the need arises.

Source: Guns.com Quote:

Following an attack at a recruiting center and reserve station in Chattanooga, Tennessee, last week that left five people dead, residents across the country are taking it upon themselves to do what they can to protect the servicemen and women working at these facilities.

Although federal law prohibits the carrying of firearms on military installations and state facilities, at least half a dozen governors issued executive orders over the weekend authorizing select members of their state National Guard to carry weapons as a means of protection for themselves and others working at the facilities. But some citizens simply aren’t waiting for those orders to take effect before taking action.

When Crystal Tewellow organized a watch at a recruiting office in Hiram, Georgia, a day after the attack, about 30 people answered the call, with more participating each day.

“To think the people who are supposed to protect and serve us are unable to protect and serve… protect themselves,” Tewellow, whose son recently enlisted in the army, told a local Fox affiliate. “So if us, the citizens, who carry permits, are able to help protect them, that’s what we’re gonna be able to do.”

Tewellow said they are trying to have at least one person stand outside the center at all times during business hours.

In Winchester, Virginia, a single man armed with an AR-15 stood outside of a recruitment center from morning to evening the day after the attack.

“People need to call their congressman, they need to call their senators and they need to change these laws that are on the books so these guys can protect themselves so a regular old citizen doesn’t have to go out and do it,” the man, who did not wish to be identified, told a local Fox affiliate.

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This is how Americans come together, Armed Services....Police.....Citizens, to protect each other's backs. Brothers & Sisters all in it together.

You still think those "Patriots"
will give over their firearms because a Government says/orders them to?

Hell no, That dog don't hunt!

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Reply #596 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:21pm

My 2C, I personally find the idea of an armed population elegant, look at the Swiss model of having compulsory armed service.
They have low gun violence rates together with high firearms availability(admittedly only half the us rate).

High gun ownership doesn't automatically create high gun violence rates, but high gun ownership rates do demand high levels of government involvement with training, education and registration.

The vast majority of people killed by firearms in america are killed by handguns, but the majority of the firearms control legislation reform focuses on automatic military style weapons which seems to be missing the right target.

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Reply #597 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:50pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:21pm:

My 2C, I personally find the idea of an armed population elegant, look at the Swiss model of having compulsory armed service.
They have low gun violence rates together with high firearms availability(admittedly only half the us rate).

High gun ownership doesn't automatically create high gun violence rates, but high gun ownership rates do demand high levels of government involvement with training, education and registration.

The vast majority of people killed by firearms in america are killed by handguns, but the majority of the firearms control legislation reform focuses on automatic military style weapons which seems to be missing the right target.

Registrations are only necessary if Government totally distrusts it's citizens, & only want a governmental confiscation option, to be implemented on a future, not specified date.

The vast majority of American Firearms are not registered, & any attempt to institute a National Firearms Database/Firearms Registry is not permitted by U.S. Law.

Pertaining to firearms, since day one the American Citizenry has been self-regulating, self-trained, & self-reliant.

IMHO, that won't change in our lifetimes.

It's arguably the strongest part of the American culture, a culture that distrusts government immensely, & demands government do one simple thing -- serve & defend them as clearly outlined in the U.S. Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land.

As for firearms, a vast portion of American youth have fired their first rounds of target shooting by the age of 6, & own their own personal rifles by their early teens.

In a country of over 100 million estimated firearm owners (a conservative figure IMHO), owning over an estimated 300+ million firearms, there needs to be a tremendous amount of respect for firearms, & a similar amount of, if not a greater amount of, respect for each other. Otherwise, IMHO, the American death toll because of firearms would probably be much, much higher than it is today.

Over 90% of firearm injury & fatality comes form illegal handgun use, & of that number you will find a tremendous amount of that total to be self-inflicted -- AKA attempted & successful suicides.

It's estimated that over 99% of the firearms (handguns in particular) owned by law abiding American Citizens have never been used in the commission of any crime.

Firearms, in and of themselves, aren't the problem.

Undiagnosed & or ignored mental heath issues, coupled with an ever increasing societal breakdown, is.

The same is true here in Australia.

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Reply #599 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:43pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 4:52pm:

You had me up until that rubbish about societal breakdown.

Rubbish?
Surely you're familiar with Social Breakdown -- anti-social behavior?

If not I suggest you read & follow the following to further acquaint yourself with how social breakdown affects the vulnerable.

Social (Societal) Breakdown and Poverty

Source: The Centre for Social Justice http://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/about-us/social-breakdown-and-poverty Quote:

For many decades, under successive Governments, UK poverty has been defined narrowly by a measure of national income inequality. That is to say, households have been classified as living in poverty if they fall below a set income level, typically taken at 60 per cent national median income. Although this technique can be helpful in mapping low income areas, it is an arbitrary measurement of poverty, which reveals little about the reality of life in low income communities, and it offers no explanation or understanding about the root causes of poverty.

The policy implications of this definition have been significant. A political fixation with lifting groups of people – such as pensioners and one parent families – above the ‘poverty line’ through the welfare system, has further entrenched dependency on the state and created static low income areas, from which it is very difficult for people to progress.
A new approach

In moving beyond this failed poverty line approach, the CSJ has identified five key and interconnected features of social breakdown, which we call the ‘pathways to poverty’. Through our work we have seen how these pathways create poverty, but how they are also its consequences. They are foundational to developing a new understanding of poverty.

5 Pathways to Poverty

Family breakdown

Educational failure

Economic dependency and worklessness

Addiction to drugs and alcohol

Severe personal debt.

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I'd include the growing lack of respect for others in society as another contributing societal factor.

Combine these with undiagnosed or ignored mental illness & you have the core ingredients central to those that use easily obtainable illegal firearms (and other tools including hammers, knives, blunt objects, fists, etc....) for lashing out at society via violent crime.

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