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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #496 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 8:56am

Panther wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:31am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 2:58pm:

OK, so I googled your quoted text, as you suggested.

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I respect gun rights. But the idea, for example, that we couldn’t even get a background check bill in, to make sure that if you’re going to buy a weapon you have to actually go through a fairly rigorous process so that we know who you are, so that you can’t just walk up to a store, and, um, buy a semi-automatic weapon… um, it makes no sense.

It failed to find that quote... Roll Eyes

Your Google is probably being filtered by the .au ..... Use the

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options on your results &
you should see the content you are probably being filtered from. Wink

Net Censorship SUX the big one, & it's just the start!!

he never said that alleged quote, its a fabrication. You lied. Now you are lying again by pretending its some sort of "net censorship". You have been caught out lying many times on this forum, why do you continue to do it?

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #497 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:09am

rhino wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 8:56am:

Panther wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:31am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 2:58pm:

OK, so I googled your quoted text, as you suggested.

Quote:

I respect gun rights. But the idea, for example, that we couldn’t even get a background check bill in, to make sure that if you’re going to buy a weapon you have to actually go through a fairly rigorous process so that we know who you are, so that you can’t just walk up to a store, and, um, buy a semi-automatic weapon… um, it makes no sense.

It failed to find that quote... Roll Eyes

Your Google is probably being filtered by the .au ..... Use the

Any Country ° Any Time ° All Results

options on your results &
you should see the content you are probably being filtered from. Wink

Net Censorship SUX the big one, & it's just the start!!

he never said that alleged quote, its a fabrication.
You lied. Now you are lying again by pretending its some sort of "net censorship". You have been caught out lying many times on this forum, why do you continue to do it?

Do you want to see the video as he utters every word so you can feast on some crow....liar, or are you just goin' to stomp around in your own imagination......make sense to yourself within your own mind?

Talk about lying, you boy are the Sultan of Fibs when it comes to lying.

At 1:23 you will start your feast on crow boy......

Source: Obama's own lips at 1:23 Quote:

I respect gun rights. But the idea, for example, that we couldn’t even get a background check bill in, to make sure that if you’re going to buy a weapon you have to actually go through a fairly rigorous process so that we know who you are, so that you can’t just walk up to a store, and, um, buy a semi-automatic weapon… um, it makes no sense.

Deny Obama's blatant lie ........ I dare ya!
Deny Obama's blatant lie ........ I dare ya!
Deny Obama's blatant lie ........ I dare ya! Who's the black tongued liar now??

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #498 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:28pm

Panther wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:31am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 2:58pm:

OK, so I googled your quoted text, as you suggested.

Quote:

I respect gun rights. But the idea, for example, that we couldn’t even get a background check bill in, to make sure that if you’re going to buy a weapon you have to actually go through a fairly rigorous process so that we know who you are, so that you can’t just walk up to a store, and, um, buy a semi-automatic weapon… um, it makes no sense.

It failed to find that quote... Roll Eyes

Your Google is probably being filtered by the .au ..... Use the

Any Country ° Any Time ° All Results

options on your results &
you should see the content you are probably being filtered from. Wink

Net Censorship SUX the big one, & it's just the start!!

I used http://www.google.com and it still failed to find your quote... Roll Eyes

I am unsure why American gun nuts are so anti- background checks and waiting periods... Seems eminently sensible to me as a means to prevent criminals, the mentally ill/deranged/dangerous getting access to firearms... Roll Eyes

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #499 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 4:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:28pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:31am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 2:58pm:

OK, so I googled your quoted text, as you suggested.

Quote:

I respect gun rights. But the idea, for example, that we couldn’t even get a background check bill in, to make sure that if you’re going to buy a weapon you have to actually go through a fairly rigorous process so that we know who you are, so that you can’t just walk up to a store, and, um, buy a semi-automatic weapon… um, it makes no sense.

It failed to find that quote... Roll Eyes

Your Google is probably being filtered by the .au ..... Use the

Any Country ° Any Time ° All Results

options on your results &
you should see the content you are probably being filtered from. Wink

Net Censorship SUX the big one, & it's just the start!!

I used http://www.google.com and it still failed to find your quote... Roll Eyes

I am unsure why American gun nuts are so anti- background checks and waiting periods... Seems eminently sensible to me as a means to prevent criminals, the mentally ill/deranged/dangerous getting access to firearms... Roll Eyes

Well, I don't know why you are having that difficulty. I don't seem to have any problem.

Background Checks, & short waiting periods needed solely to complete the said background checks, are fine in & of themselves.

Providing, that the only records held, are held by the Federally Licensed Seller, & not sent to any government database. The information kept by the seller regarding the transaction is the firearms Serial #, & that a successful Background check was completed regarding it's sale. A verification number from the National Background Checking Entity will be issued for that purpose. No other information about the purchaser should be recorded. There isn't any need for it, simply because it's nobody's (especially the Federal Government's) business to know.

That's what I personally believe.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #500 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 5:48pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:28pm:

I am unsure why American gun nuts are so anti- background checks and waiting periods...

Typical hoplophobe tarring all gun owners with the same brush.

The hoplophobes appear to be ignorant of gun laws yet that doesn't stop them showing their idiocy.

What is this bwian?
www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics

The 2A says the right to bear and keep arms shall not be infringed,any laws are an infringement on 2A rights,perhaps some people value their constitution.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #501 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 6:54pm

Panther, this is what I get when I do a direct search on your quote:

You'll note it asks if I want to search on that quote directly. When I do so, nothing comes up.

Funny that.

As for you believe about waiting periods and background checks. Pfft! Roll Eyes

Baron, as far as I am concerned, there is no "gun owning right". It is a privilege accorded by the government to it's citizens and such it should be subject to regulation.

However, US society believes otherwise and so they have the present mess they are in. Roll Eyes

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #502 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:22pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 5:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:28pm:

I am unsure why American gun nuts are so anti- background checks and waiting periods...

Typical hoplophobe tarring all gun owners with the same brush.

The hoplophobes appear to be ignorant of gun laws yet that doesn't stop them showing their idiocy.

What is this bwian?
www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics

theres only one problem. Background checks are not required under Federal law for firearm transfers between private parties.

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The 2A says the right to bear and keep arms shall not be infringed

No it doesnt , it says this
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #503 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 6:54pm:

Panther, this is what I get when I do a direct search on your quote:

http://imageshack.com/a/img537/1239/ew4od3.jpg

You'll note it asks if I want to search on that quote directly. When I do so, nothing comes up.

Funny that.

As for you believe about waiting periods and background checks. Pfft! Roll Eyes

Guess I have a better browser setup than you Brian. As you note there aren't any adds on mine, & I use a few add-ons to eliminate/restrict Google intrusion & search redirection in my browser.

I wonder Brian, do/will you get the same results when you use other major search engines.......other than Google?

As for what you think of what I believe about waiting periods and background checks. I'm sorry you feel that way, but that's the beauty about freedom.....you & I have the right to our own personal opinions......something governments that have questionable ulterior agendas cringe over. Wink

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......there is no "gun owning right". It is a privilege accorded by the government to it's citizens and such it should be subject to regulation.

Well, being we are discussing the Guns in the USA, the Firearms Rights of the American People were not given to them by the government, it is, in their US Constitution, a restriction placed on government, that government shall not infringe upon the rights (inalienable rights) of the people to Keep & Bear Arms.

It has been determined by historical scholars & Constitutional experts, as well as ruled by the Supreme Court of the US (SCOTUS) that this right is an individual right. SCOTUS has forced the Federal Government & local governments to back off when ever they tried to infringe upon the People's Right to Keep & Bear Firearms. Wink

If you want a definitive explanation of what those words mean & meant when written, I'd be more than happy to provide you with some insight.......the words mean quite a bit more than what you might expect......especially when understanding what those words actually meant around the time of their writing, & how they must be interpreted today based on those late 18^th Century meanings.

When interpreting the US Constitution you must always remember it must be interpreted based on "the original intent" of the document's framers....what they meant when it was written, & not modern definitions. Wink

Example: Regulate (Regulated) & Militia .....They mean nothing like what you might probably expect. Not because I say so, but because SCOTUS, numerous historical scholars, & Constitutional experts say so.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #504 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:39pm

rhino wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 5:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:28pm:

I am unsure why American gun nuts are so anti- background checks and waiting periods...

Typical hoplophobe tarring all gun owners with the same brush.

The hoplophobes appear to be ignorant of gun laws yet that doesn't stop them showing their idiocy.

What is this bwian?
www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics

theres only one problem. Background checks are not required under Federal law for firearm transfers between private parties.

Quote:

The 2A says the right to bear and keep arms shall not be infringed

No it doesnt , it says this
, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[/u]

Are you saying a grandfather needs to get a background check on his granddaughter before passing gun ownership to a family member in a private transaction?

You cannot buy a gun in a gun shop without a background check,guns don't last forever some barrels can be shot out in as little as 1500 rounds so many prefer to buy new instead of used.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 46234	Re: Disarming USA Reply #505 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:15am Baron, As far as as I am concerned, all transfers should be accompanied by a background check and that check should include histories of mental illness. They can be perfunctory between family members if you desire but they should still be performed.
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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #506 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 7:38am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

..... transfers should be accompanied by a background check and that check should include histories of mental illness. Roll Eyes

Nice sounding concept, but good intentions aren't completely infallible .... never will be .......

Background checks are only as good as the information available.

Who's to guarantee a sane person in 2015 won't go nutcase in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, or ever?

Can't be done unless you incorporate the services of a Certified Seer.

In the end, you can't legislate sanity. You can only treat it's condition after the fact it becomes evident, or after the subject's condition has been exposed by trained certified professionals or obvious insane activity, & again eventually diagnosed by trained certified professionals.

Same for criminal activity. Criminals only become criminals after a crime has been committed, not before, that is unless you utilize the services of a Certified Seer.

Government can make laws, but can only enforce their corrective application after the laws are broken. Prior to that, criminal activity is usually an unknown factor.

The 'thought police' haven't perfected their craft yet.

I would find it safe to assume that in the USA better than 99+% of all persons who seek to obtain firearms from a Federally Licensed Retail Operator are not criminals or insane in the first place, they are law-abiding responsible citizens who will most probably never be reported for criminal activity on the 6:00 news.

The criminal element, as would a diagnosed nut-job, will seek firearms from illegal black market type sources, not somewhere they will be investigated & discovered.

Those illegal black market type sources have been around since before recorded human activity, & as long as there are laws, won't be going anywhere soon.

The will always adapt & evolve.

In the end criminals & nut-jobs will get their desired product if they want it bad enough, no matter what laws are on the books, or what safeguards are in place.

So, all society can do is more of the same. Continue to harass good, law-abiding citizen with more of the same good intentions via ineffective laws, in the hopes of catching a rare, complete idiot.

There will eventually come a time though when the law-abiding citizen weighs out the tradeoffs, & decides enough is enough. What they will do then is only limited by your imagination ..... but I would ponder to think it might be none to pretty. Undecided

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #507 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 11:38am

rhino wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

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The 2A says the right to bear and keep arms shall not be infringed
No it doesnt , it says this
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Oh. The key phrase is the well regulated part. (Also arguably the definite article "a" which limits to a singular militia -- ie, the army/national guard)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

Baron, As far as as I am concerned, all transfers should be accompanied by a background check and that check should include histories of mental illness. They can be perfunctory between family members if you desire but they should still be performed. Roll Eyes

But, Brian, if only the sane yanks could buy guns, why, the market would collapse! Who would the manufacturers sell all those machine guns, flame throwers, and huge-caliber rifles to?

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Why the bugger did I get stuck on a planet chalked full of imbeciles?

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Reply #508 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 1:12pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 30^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

rhino wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

Quote:
The 2A says the right to bear and keep arms shall not be infringed
No it doesnt , it says this
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Oh. The key phrase is the well regulated part. (Also arguably the definite article "a" which limits to a singular militia -- ie, the army/national guard)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

Baron, As far as as I am concerned, all transfers should be accompanied by a background check and that check should include histories of mental illness. They can be perfunctory between family members if you desire but they should still be performed. Roll Eyes

But, Brian, if only the sane yanks could buy guns, why, the market would collapse! Who would the manufacturers sell all those machine guns, flame throwers, and huge-caliber rifles to?

The key phrase is -The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.a well regulated militia sounds like they would have those scary black semi auto rifles in their arsenal.

The Firearm owners protection act 1986 bans the sale of machine guns,if you had one before 1986 you can keep it otherwise they are banned.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act#Ban_on_Machine_guns

In many states like California you cannot buy a 50BMG, in Australia you can buy a bolt action 50BMG with a category B licence.

The hoplophobic gun grabbers appear rather ignorant on current gun laws,machine guns have been a closed registry since 1986 there is no market for them,50 BMG is not allowed in many states despite the fact no crimes have been done with them.

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Reply #509 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 1:52pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 30^th, 2015 at 1:12pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 30^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

rhino wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

Quote:
The 2A says the right to bear and keep arms shall not be infringed
No it doesnt , it says this
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Oh. The key phrase is the well regulated part. (Also arguably the definite article "a" which limits to a singular militia -- ie, the army/national guard)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

Baron, As far as as I am concerned, all transfers should be accompanied by a background check and that check should include histories of mental illness. They can be perfunctory between family members if you desire but they should still be performed. Roll Eyes

But, Brian, if only the sane yanks could buy guns, why, the market would collapse! Who would the manufacturers sell all those machine guns, flame throwers, and huge-caliber rifles to?

The key phrase is -The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.a well regulated militia sounds like they would have those scary black semi auto rifles in their arsenal.

The Firearm owners protection act 1986 bans the sale of machine guns,if you had one before 1986 you can keep it otherwise they are banned.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act#Ban_on_Machine_guns

In many states like California you cannot buy a 50BMG, in Australia you can buy a bolt action 50BMG with a category B licence.

The hoplophobic gun grabbers appear rather ignorant on current gun laws,machine guns have been a closed registry since 1986 there is no market for them,50 BMG is not allowed in many states despite the fact no crimes have been done with them.

I thought .50 BMGs were under the Category R license

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