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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #375 - May 27th, 2015 at 3:11pm
 
|dev|null wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 3:02pm:
Panther wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 2:51pm:
Because in America having to directly register (as mandated by a legal obligation) having to directly register a firearm has been ruled virtually illegal.


You will, of course, be able to provide a reference to the legislation or SCOTUS decision which determined this DRX?

I'm genuinely interested as I can't find any reference to it through Google.


I was only thinking of Rifles, Shotguns, Handguns ............ normal every day type firearms (small arms), not machine guns, bazookas, RPG's,  Tanks & the like.

Sorry for the error on my part.

Registration of Machine Guns are still required, as is some other heavy/specialized weaponry & related ammunition.



I've revised that statement before (or at the exact same time) you posted this request, but feel free to look up The Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986 (FOPA)

Also:  U.S. Gun Laws by State

BTW.....JFYI many of the registration laws have been rewritten since this document. Some
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Registrations are administered State by State.

SCOTUS, as far as I know, hasn't had to rule on actual gun registration specifically, but I'm not 100% absolute on that. I haven't looked at their calendar lately. Wink



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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #376 - May 27th, 2015 at 3:11pm
 
The Firearms Owners' Protection Act
specifically prohibits using information collected on firearms under the act in any registration system. The act states as follows:



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No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners' Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established (18 USC § 926(a)).



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Reply #377 - May 27th, 2015 at 4:25pm
 
Naughty, DRX!  I'd hardly call 10 minutes "at the same time"!   I suspect you realised your mistake when you read my post and went back and rewrote your original post to cover your arse!  Naughty! Naughty!

So, registration is NOT illegal.  Thanks, DRX, it seems those "goose-steppin' Lefties" are saved again!   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Reply #378 - May 27th, 2015 at 4:38pm
 
|dev|null wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 4:25pm:
Naughty, DRX!  I'd hardly call 10 minutes "at the same time"!   I suspect you realised your mistake when you read my post and went back and rewrote your original post to cover your arse!  Naughty! Naughty!

So, registration is NOT illegal.  Thanks, DRX, it seems those "goose-steppin' Lefties" are saved again!   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy


No, not illegal, just done on a very small scale. Since 1986 (FOPA) the Feds have been 'virtually' locked out of the business of registration, & few States require it  --  their numbers are slowly decreasing.

Want to know how many new firearms are on the street across America, you need to poll all the licensed dealers, & gun stores, & then use yer trusty calculator.   Grin Grin Grin


Registration to me includes Name, Address, & other personal information along with all the firearm sale information. That's nearly as rare as hens teeth.  Grin Grin

Many of the registrations that do take place don't include name & address, or personal info, just serial number make & model, pass or fail of the background check, & are usually kept by the sellers for legally mandated book keeping purposes only, & are not transmitted to any government database. The only way the government can get their hands on that registration info is via a signed court order, which is always subject to injunction & appeal.

The NRA & other Second Amendment Organizations are very vigilant when it comes to even the suggestion or proposal of a National Registration Database. So far they're battin' a 1000 (Baseball term for being successful in every instance) Wink
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Reply #379 - May 27th, 2015 at 5:26pm
 
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Reply #380 - May 27th, 2015 at 5:29pm
 
It seems the secret history of gun control in the US was far more complex than any of the participants in the issue would ever acknowledge.  The Ku Klux Klan, Ronald Reagan, and, for most of its history, the NRA all worked to control guns. The Founding Fathers? They required gun ownership—and regulated it.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #381 - May 27th, 2015 at 5:34pm
 
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    MYTH #1: More guns don’t lead to more murders. A survey by researchers at the Harvard University School of Public Health found strong statistical support for the idea that, even if you control for poverty levels, more people die from gun homicides in areas with higher rates of gun ownership. And despite what gun advocates say, countries like Israel and Switzerland don’t disprove the point.

    MYTH #2: The Second Amendment prohibits strict gun control. While the Supreme Court ruled in D.C. v. Heller that bans on handgun ownership were unconstitutional, the ruling gives the state and federal governments a great deal of latitude to regulate that gun ownership as they choose. As the U.S. Second Court of Appeals put it in a recent ruling upholding a New York regulation, “The state’s ability to regulate firearms and, for that matter, conduct, is qualitatively different in public than in the home. Heller reinforces this view. In striking D.C.’s handgun ban, the Court stressed that banning usable handguns in the home is a ‘policy choice[]’ that is ‘off the table,’ but that a variety of other regulatory options remain available, including categorical bans on firearm possession in certain public locations.”

    MYTH #3: State-level gun controls haven’t worked. Scholars Richard Florida and Charlotta Mellander recently studied state-to-state variation in gun homicide levels. They found that “[f]irearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation.” This is backed up by research on local gun control efforts and cross-border gun violence.

    MYTH #4: We only need better enforcement of the laws we have, not new laws. In fact, Congress has passed several laws that cripple the ability for current gun regulations to be enforced the way that they’re supposed to. According to researchers at the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, a series of federal laws referred to as the Tiahrt amendments “limit public access to crime gun trace data, prohibit the use of gun trace data in hearings, pertaining to licensure of gun dealers and litigation against gun dealers, and restrict ATF’s authority to require gun dealers to conduct a physical inventory of their firearms.” Other federal laws “limited the ATF compliance inspections” and grant “broad protections from lawsuits against firearm manufacturers and retail sellers.”

    MYTH #5: Sensible gun regulation is prohibitively unpopular. Not necessarily. As the New Republic’s Amy Sullivan reported after the series of mass shootings this summer, a majority of Americans would prefer both to enforce existing law more strictly and pass new regulations on guns when given the option to choose both rather than either/or. Specific gun regulations are also often more popular than the abstract idea.

[http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/14/1340531/five-lies-the-gun-lobby-tells-you/]   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Reply #382 - May 28th, 2015 at 8:24am
 
|dev|null wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 5:26pm:

. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation.

When Hitler voided the "Treaty of Versailles" it voided the gun laws. I believe they were forbidden from having Armor and Military Aircraft as well.

[http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/14/1340531/five-lies-the-gun-lobby-tel...
Richard Florida (Canadian)and Charlotta Mellander (Swede)are Academics supported by Universities and seem to devote more of their work to their love of the "Creative Class". Being controlled from cradle to grave is for livestock not people!

|dev|null wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 5:29pm:
It seems the secret history of gun control in the US was far more complex than any of the participants in the issue would ever acknowledge.  The Ku Klux Klan, Ronald Reagan, and, for most of its history, the NRA all worked to control guns. The Founding Fathers? They required gun ownership—and regulated it.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


The Gun Community has its share of people who only care about their own their little interest. That is where you generally find democrat sportsmen willing to compromise away other peoples Rights but not their own. Laws passed in haste are generally bad laws, the Gun Control Act of 1968 is one and The Patriot Act is another. NRA President Harlon Carter came at just the right time to save our rights from bad leadership.

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Reply #383 - May 28th, 2015 at 10:32am
 
Mortdooley wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 8:24am:
Laws passed in haste are generally bad laws...


Not like all those anti-abortion laws your crappy state seemingly passed without incident which is more or less a war waged on women. Oh no, those are good laws, right?
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Reply #384 - May 28th, 2015 at 11:13am
 
Mortdooley wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 8:24am:
|dev|null wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 5:26pm:

. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation.

When Hitler voided the "Treaty of Versailles" it voided the gun laws. I believe they were forbidden from having Armor and Military Aircraft as well.


Still points out the lies of the gun nuts.  Hitler didn't generally confiscate guns in Germany.

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[http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/14/1340531/five-lies-the-gun-lobby-tel...
Richard Florida (Canadian)and Charlotta Mellander (Swede)are Academics supported by Universities and seem to devote more of their work to their love of the "Creative Class". Being controlled from cradle to grave is for livestock not people!


What a nice characterisation of people whom you've never met.  I can just imagine what people might say about your gun nuttery!  I suppose you endorse Margaret Thatcher's comments about society? Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin

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|dev|null wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 5:29pm:
It seems the secret history of gun control in the US was far more complex than any of the participants in the issue would ever acknowledge.  The Ku Klux Klan, Ronald Reagan, and, for most of its history, the NRA all worked to control guns. The Founding Fathers? They required gun ownership—and regulated it.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


The Gun Community has its share of people who only care about their own their little interest. That is where you generally find democrat sportsmen willing to compromise away other peoples Rights but not their own. Laws passed in haste are generally bad laws, the Gun Control Act of 1968 is one and The Patriot Act is another. NRA President Harlon Carter came at just the right time to save our rights from bad leadership.


Thats what happens when the question of society and it's needs are ignored Mort!   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Reply #386 - May 28th, 2015 at 8:46pm
 
Marla wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 10:32am:
Mortdooley wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 8:24am:
Laws passed in haste are generally bad laws...


Not like all those anti-abortion laws your crappy state seemingly passed without incident which is more or less a war waged on women. Oh no, those are good laws, right?


That explains a lot.
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Reply #387 - May 28th, 2015 at 9:43pm
 
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It seems the secret history of gun control in the US was far more complex than any of the participants in the issue would ever acknowledge.  The Ku Klux Klan, Ronald Reagan, and, for most of its history, the NRA all worked to control guns. The Founding Fathers? They required gun ownership—and regulated it.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


The Gun Community has its share of people who only care about their own their little interest. That is where you generally find democrat sportsmen willing to compromise away other peoples Rights but not their own. Laws passed in haste are generally bad laws, the Gun Control Act of 1968 is one and The Patriot Act is another. NRA President Harlon Carter came at just the right time to save our rights from bad leadership.


Thats what happens when the question of society and it's needs are ignored Mort!

He covers it pretty well.

http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2015/05/society-vs-individual-part-1.html

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Reply #388 - May 28th, 2015 at 11:35pm
 
Do you support his misogyny, Mort?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #389 - May 28th, 2015 at 11:45pm
 
Panther wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 11:18am:

Kewl Rhiney, I'm so glad you know when I'm lying or not.........not.  http://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif

Just a lil factoid fer yer lil ego to chew on....You can't tell, matter in fact if you could you would be singin' a different tune "mate" because "mate" you seem to only believe in the fairy tails that dance around in your own mind, & only when it suits ya "mate".

As far as knowing diksquat about where I've been or where I travel, you are totally clueless....not that's it's any of yer business anyway. What you've said proves it.......to me. I couldn't give a rats patute what anyone else thinks they know.   Wink


nah, I deal in facts. And im very good at sniffing bullsh1t. you are full of it. Nothing more than a wannabe. Sad really.
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