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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #30 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 6:58pm

Jeff from Tennessee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:41pm:

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So you think it would be a good idea to train kids in gun safety, without ever giving them a gun? Do you imagine something like sex education?

I think training guns would work fine. If the kids want trigger time they can do that on their own time, with their family. Yes the idea is kind of like sex ed. If the kids want practice they can wait until after school. Wink

You want to teach them gun safety with toy guns? How is that going to work? We are going to teach you to handle firearms safely, but we don't trust you to actually handle a real one? But next time you come across one you will know how to handle it?

How many accidental school shootings have their been lately in your country?

Jeff from Tennessee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Why is that some are so quick to think that stealing guns from private citizens or regulating weapons is the way to go? I haven't met many crooks that obey the law. In fact, I haven't met any thugs or crooks that care what the law is. Gun control laws only hurt the law abiding.

Parroting NRA propaganda eh? It may work on Americans, but not us. Plenty of "armed robberies" are carried out here with machetes, syringes, cricket bats, knives, spearguns etc. Why? Because gun control works. Criminals do not have to "care" about the law for it to work. They merely have to care about the price of a gun, and the risk of going to jail for having one illegally. It's basic economics really. Funny how the yanks throw it out the window when it matters most.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #31 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 7:22pm

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 6:58pm:

Jeff from Tennessee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:41pm:

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So you think it would be a good idea to train kids in gun safety, without ever giving them a gun? Do you imagine something like sex education?

I think training guns would work fine. If the kids want trigger time they can do that on their own time, with their family. Yes the idea is kind of like sex ed. If the kids want practice they can wait until after school. Wink

You want to teach them gun safety with toy guns? How is that going to work? We are going to teach you to handle firearms safely, but we don't trust you to actually handle a real one? But next time you come across one you will know how to handle it?

How many accidental school shootings have their been lately in your country?

Jeff from Tennessee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Why is that some are so quick to think that stealing guns from private citizens or regulating weapons is the way to go? I haven't met many crooks that obey the law. In fact, I haven't met any thugs or crooks that care what the law is. Gun control laws only hurt the law abiding.

Parroting NRA propaganda eh? It may work on Americans, but not us. Plenty of "armed robberies" are carried out here with machetes, syringes, cricket bats, knives, spearguns etc. Why? Because gun control works. Criminals do not have to "care" about the law for it to work. They merely have to care about the price of a gun, and the risk of going to jail for having one illegally. It's basic economics really. Funny how the yanks throw it out the window when it matters most.

Well while the NRA saying might be trite and over-used, it's still fairly accurate though.

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Reply #32 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 7:29pm

It is not accurate. It is wrong and completely misleading, and it is absurd that people can get away with being so wrong in a supposedly educated country. Gun control does have an impact on criminals. It makes guns too expensive for most of them. Of the rest, plenty end up in jail for illegal possession. This NRA bullshit relies on people being mindless drones who will parrot anything without giving it more than 10 seconds thought.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #33 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 7:51pm

Not a shooter, eh?

Don't have any familiarity with firearms, eh?

It's a bit like riding a bike - once the skill is learned, it's easier to re-acquire.

Let's all hope you never need the skill.

It's all OK, today's society protects you from ever having to fire a shot in self-defence - right?

And it's also ensured that you lack the means anyway.

Good luck, Mahatma!

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52524 At my desk.	Re: Disarming USA Reply #34 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 7:56pm I've shot plenty of guns before. I just don't think that gives me any special insight into the gun control debate.
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Reply #35 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 8:22pm

Do you currently own one?

Do you possess a firearms license?

If you do, then you have a vested interest in the ongoing debate about firearms ownership in this country.

Are you aware of the growing groundswell of opinion regarding gun ownership in the USA - where such rights are are 'almost' enshrined in their Constitution?

The knee-jerk reactions of politicians in response to atrocities committed by deranged individuals in no way addresses the real problems in our respective societies - that of the social alienation as a result of the supposed benefits of pandering to our progeny's every whim. Not forgetting the oft touted benefits of 'multiculturalism' and it's blind acceptance of social mores sometimes at odds with our own.

The imminent demise of the Baby Boomer generation may well see future generations regressing to eating with their hands.

Having once trained as an educator, nothing has shocked me more than seeing children sent to schools without basic toilet training, breakfast or any conception of discipline.

Even animals train their young - humanity seems to have missed a generation in that respect. Maybe that's what started the 'War on Drugs' - another 'War' that's unwinnable.

We reap what we sow.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52524 At my desk.	Re: Disarming USA Reply #36 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 9:06pm I see. Multiculturalism is the problem. And more guns is the solution. Genius. The Americans treat their constitution like a religion and use it as an excuse for not thinking for themselves. But the constitution can be changed. It can also be ignored, as is currently the case. It cannot however be enforced, as it currently is.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Disarming USA Reply #37 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 9:53pm NATIONAL MASS SHOOTING VICTIMS DAY...
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Reply #38 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 10:59pm

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 9:06pm:

I see. Multiculturalism is the problem. And more guns is the solution. Genius.

Do you make this sh!t up as you type - or do you actually consider what you intend to post before you do so? I never said any of that. I mentioned multiculturalism. It's resulted in numerous societal problems ever since its inception and enforcement. Agree?

The Americans treat their constitution like a religion and use it as an excuse for not thinking for themselves. But the constitution can be changed. It can also be ignored, as is currently the case. It cannot however be enforced, as it currently is.

Given the current status and arming of Homeland Security in the 'States, one wonders about the future of the citizens living in the 'Home of the Brave'. Do some research!

Guns don't kill people - people do. People have been designing implements to kill since we first banged rocks together.

Ban cigarettes - they possibly kill more people in today's world than guns. Cool

Or better yet, get people to live together harmoniously - irrespective of differences.

Then we''ll have no need of guns. Or armies. Kumbuya!

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Disarming USA Reply #40 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 11:41pm Considering there are 3 guns for every person in the US compolsoury gun education at primary school level makes sense. Wouldnt work in australia where we dont consider owning a firearm irrevocably linked to the concept of manhood but perfectly makes sense in the US.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52524 At my desk.	Re: Disarming USA Reply #41 - Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:56pm Quote: Guns don't kill people - people do. Oh great, more empty headed sloganeering from the NRA. They have spent billions lowering the IQ of the gun debate by 20 points.
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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #42 - Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 8:14pm

freediver wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:56pm:

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Guns don't kill people - people do.

Oh great, more empty headed sloganeering from the NRA. They have spent billions lowering the IQ of the gun debate by 20 points.

Look, if you want the complete banning of private firearms ownership in this country, why don't you just come out and say so?

If you support further restrictive measures enacted against the already legalised owners of firearms, why don't you just say so?

If you have a problem with the burgeoning increase in gun related crime, why aren't you willing to discuss the reasons behind it?

I'm merely advocating a common-sense approach to existing problems with regard to the legislation this country already has in place.

I just happen to feel quite comfortable with the ability to pop a rockmelon off a fencepost at 500 metres, given a weapon capable of such a feat.

It's just one of them handy things to be able to do, you know? A bit like being familiar with the use of an axe or a chainsaw - you never know when it could come in handy.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52524 At my desk.	Re: Disarming USA Reply #43 - Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 8:40pm Are you copying and pasting directly from the NRA website now?
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