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Reply #285 - May 21st, 2015 at 11:26am
 
So, DRX we have a "witness" who "saw Martin in a power position" who exited the scene when he saw things going badly for Zimmerman?   Yet Zimmerman still managed to shoot Martin?  Sounds a little fishy to me.   Very fishy in fact.  Zimmerman was guilty of killing Martin.  Simple as that.  If Zimmerman wasn't protected by the law, he'd be in jail!  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin
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Reply #286 - May 21st, 2015 at 2:18pm
 
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Reply #287 - May 21st, 2015 at 2:31pm
 
|dev|null wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 11:26am:
So, DRX we have a "witness" who "saw Martin in a power position" who exited the scene when he saw things going badly for Zimmerman?   Yet Zimmerman still managed to shoot Martin?  Sounds a little fishy to me.   Very fishy in fact.  Zimmerman was guilty of killing Martin.  Simple as that.  If Zimmerman wasn't protected by the law, he'd be in jail!  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin



"If Zimmerman wasn't protected by the law, he'd be in jail!" ....... you're exactly correct there HB, know it or not, duhhh ....... That's  exactly what the law is there for.....to protect the innocent & punish the guilty!   Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin




Mr. Good, according to the testimony, when he saw Zimmerman taking a severe beating, went inside to phone 911 (911 is emergency 000 in the States) to get the police there, but assume what your personal ideology suggests to you if it so pleases your fantasy. Roll Eyes

BTW, I agree Zimmerman killed Martin, but as you know there is a difference between Killing & Murder & or Manslaughter.

Zimmerman was found not guilty of Murder & Manslaughter in their court of law by a jury, based on the law & the testimony presented to that jury.

Everybody familiar with the trial knows Zimmerman Killed Martin ............... in self-defense, which is perfectly legal there.

It's called justifiable homicide I think. Wink

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Reply #288 - May 21st, 2015 at 4:37pm
 
It might be in the USA.  Here it's just called manslaughter.  He'd get a light sentence if it was proved he was being attacked but we don't know what transpired between Zimmerman and Martin which might have provoked either party.  We only have Zimmerman's word about what was said.  I still want to know how he managed to be beaten badly and still get a gun out and shoot Martin.   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Reply #289 - May 21st, 2015 at 6:35pm
 
|dev|null wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 4:37pm:
We only have Zimmerman's word about what was said.
 

What was said will never be known unless you have a way to wake the dead.

It wasn't important as to the finding of fact demanded by the Court/Florida Legal System.

|dev|null wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 4:37pm:
I still want to know how he managed to be beaten badly and still get a gun out and shoot Martin.   


The very strong desire to live, along with close quarters firearm training  --  readily available in the tens of thousands of gun clubs & firearm training facilities across the 50 United States, coupled with good old American know how (remember Americans are around guns from childhood).   Wink

Good Lord man, haven't you heard about the latest craze?

It's called a
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Try it sometimes. Imagine how much you could learn!  Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #290 - May 21st, 2015 at 6:46pm
 
|dev|null wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 4:37pm:
    I still want to know how he managed to be beaten badly and still get a gun out and shoot Martin.   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
Whats so improbable? Its happened before.
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Reply #291 - May 21st, 2015 at 6:48pm
 
Panther wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 6:35pm:
|dev|null wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 4:37pm:
We only have Zimmerman's word about what was said.
 

What was said will never be known unless you have a way to wake the dead.

It wasn't important as to the finding of fact demanded by the Court/Florida Legal System.

|dev|null wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 4:37pm:
I still want to know how he managed to be beaten badly and still get a gun out and shoot Martin.   


The very strong desire to live, along with close quarters firearm training  --  readily available in the tens of thousands of gun clubs & firearm training facilities across the 50 United States, coupled with good old American know how (remember Americans are around guns from childhood).   Wink

Good Lord man, haven't you heard about the latest craze?

It's called a
......................GOOGLE SEARCH!!!
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Try it sometimes. Imagine how much you could learn!  Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy

. Close quarters firearm training.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #292 - May 21st, 2015 at 6:59pm
 
rhino wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 6:48pm:
Close quarters firearm training. 


I know you've already researched this, so this is for everyone else who never heard of it. Smiley

YouTube Search on:     "Close quarters firearm training"
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Reply #293 - May 21st, 2015 at 7:48pm
 
For a supposed ground and pound with mixed martial arts tactics, never mind the fact that the witness is speculating, Zimmerman looks pretty lightly injured.
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Reply #294 - May 21st, 2015 at 7:51pm
 
Panther wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 6:59pm:
rhino wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 6:48pm:
Close quarters firearm training. 


I know you've already researched this, so this is for everyone else who never heard of it. Smiley

YouTube Search on:     "Close quarters firearm training"

How is this relevant to the situation Zimmerman was in?
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Reply #295 - May 21st, 2015 at 7:52pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 7:48pm:
For a supposed ground and pound with mixed martial arts tactics, never mind the fact that the witness is speculating, Zimmerman looks pretty lightly injured.

hard to tell, the kid wasnt an expert fighter  as far as I am aware.
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Reply #296 - May 21st, 2015 at 8:10pm
 
rhino wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 7:51pm:
Panther wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 6:59pm:
rhino wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 6:48pm:
Close quarters firearm training. 


I know you've already researched this, so this is for everyone else who never heard of it. Smiley

YouTube Search on:     "Close quarters firearm training"

How is this relevant to the situation Zimmerman was in?


|dev|null wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 4:37pm:
I still want to know how he managed to be beaten badly and still get a gun out and shoot Martin. 


I was presenting possibilities to a question HB asked, about something nobody but Zimmerman can actually know.

In the end it was immaterial to the outcome of the trial anyway, the jury found he wasn't guilty of any crime he was charged with, & what he did, how he did it, or why he did it, was in their eyes, self-defense.

Zimmerman was freed immediately, & can never be charged with these crimes again.

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Reply #297 - May 21st, 2015 at 8:21pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 7:48pm:
For a supposed ground and pound with mixed martial arts tactics, never mind the fact that the witness is speculating, Zimmerman looks pretty lightly injured.


How lightly injured or not Zimmerman was injured is a matter that the jurors, who were charged with the law by the judge, gave the weight it deserved (required by the law the judge told them they needed to deliberate upon).

The testimony & evidence didn't have to convince anyone but the jurors, who found him not guilty.

Anything else is speculation.
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Reply #298 - May 21st, 2015 at 10:35pm
 
Panther wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 8:21pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 7:48pm:
For a supposed ground and pound with mixed martial arts tactics, never mind the fact that the witness is speculating, Zimmerman looks pretty lightly injured.


How lightly injured or not Zimmerman was injured is a matter that the jurors, who were charged with the law by the judge, gave the weight it deserved (required by the law the judge told them they needed to deliberate upon).

The testimony & evidence didn't have to convince anyone but the jurors, who found him not guilty.

Anything else is speculation.



What 12 Floridans?

The jury system is f**ked. It comprises of 12 idiots who can't get out of jury duty.
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Reply #299 - May 22nd, 2015 at 1:01am
 
The jury system is f**ked. It comprises of 12 idiots who can't get out of jury duty.

Actually it is quite easy to get out of serving on a Jury, just commit a Felony and you are disqualified for life!

If you prefer to remain a more or less honest citizen you can throw the summons away, they send so many they work with the people that show up and don't bother the ones who don't!

If you do show up and don't want to serve never give either Lawyer a strait answer, "I can't say" "I don't know". "It depends", I don't understand the question".

Personally I have been on three Juries, a drug possession, an armed robbery and a child rape case. Every time they took a Plea Deal rather then take their chances on us!

Most of the people I have served with find the cases interesting but no one wants to be called too often. Every few years is generally fine.
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