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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #210 - May 1^st, 2015 at 12:06am

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

Well HB, as a monarchy America would have stayed small. Texas was founded as an Independent Nation, if the US was a week little monarchy it would have stayed its own country. Texas probably would have grown to include all of the American West and been the dominant Nation in the western hemisphere. Even part of modern day Colorado was inside the boarders of the Nation of Texas.

Heh, Texas educated propaganda. No wonder your state is always going backwards.

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

Or there would have been no strong allies in WW2 and Imperial Japan would now be your Master!

Really!? So Texas alone took on the Japanese Imperial Army all by themselves? Wow. Now I know where revisionist history comes from. So, for example, when Darwin was bombed, where were you Stetson-sporting Alamo freaks? You do "remember" the Alamo, right? You lost. But feel free to rewrite that history as well.

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

You ask why we are suspicious of our Government? Because it has too many corrupt, power hungry bureaucrats and self-important parasites.

Ironically, many of them from your home state.

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

If they could have disallowed the Overseas Military vote in 2000 Al Gore would have been President for at least four years and never founded the Church Of Global Warming. They did disallow it in 2008 and 2012. They allowed election day voter registration without any form of Identification and far more people voted then lived in those precincts, hundreds used the same addresses. Electronic voting machines in some precincts recorded 100% of the votes for Pokey even though there were registered Republicans who voted. So you might wonder why the Republicans didn't make more of a fuss over all the fraud? After all the dirty tricks they used to win the Primaries for the Washington Insiders they didn't have any moral ground to complain. I watched almost all the Primary Debates and the questions were designed to steer opinion in favor of certain candidates.

More Texas revisionism.

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

And Marla, you should read the books by Dave Ramsey rather then Saul Alinsky, by the time you are debt free you won't be a Liberal anymore!

Where did I ever say that I'm a liberal?

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Marla Gold Member Offline A joint a day keeps the MAGA away Posts: 14672 Colorado Gender:	Re: Disarming USA Reply #212 - May 1^st, 2015 at 12:20am And I support your right to bad grammar. That's what truly makes America great.
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Marla Gold Member Offline A joint a day keeps the MAGA away Posts: 14672 Colorado Gender:	Re: Disarming USA Reply #214 - May 1^st, 2015 at 12:28am Wrong. Debt is the American way. Or are you some sort of a Communist?
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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #215 - May 1^st, 2015 at 1:29am

Disarming the USA.

I get the impression the topic means guns in some way. The British tried disarming America (the colonies at the time), & that didn't go too well for the Brits, did it?
There are only two forces that can disarm the USA. A foreign force, more powerful than all of America's National Militaries, or the other force, America's own government, or the people.
Trying to disarm the American people is no small task. There are about 325 million Americans. Over 100 million of them own guns, an estimated 300+ million guns.

Some American history regarding Disarming the USA:

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This Article reviews the British gun control program that precipitated the American Revolution: the 1774 import ban on firearms and gunpowder; the 1774-75 confiscations of firearms and gunpowder; and the use of violence to effectuate the confiscations. It was these events that changed a situation of political tension into a shooting war. Each of these British abuses provides insights into the scope of the modern Second Amendment.

Furious at the December 1773 Boston Tea Party, Parliament in 1774 passed the Coercive Acts. The particular provisions of the Coercive Acts were offensive to Americans, but it was the possibility that the British might deploy the army to enforce them that primed many colonists for armed resistance. The Patriots of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, resolved: “That in the event of Great Britain attempting to force unjust laws upon us by the strength of arms, our cause we leave to heaven and our rifles.” A South Carolina newspaper essay, reprinted in Virginia, urged that any law that had to be enforced by the military was necessarily illegitimate...................

This is continued here, in this document. Please continue reading it. I personally found it very, very interesting how the minds of free men worked to preserve what future Americans held precious, their liberty.
American minds haven't changed. The only change has been the date.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #216 - May 1^st, 2015 at 2:38am

Sounds and reads like reconstituted NRA propaganda. The Brits in Colonial war times were more interested in exploiting the commonwealth of the colonies then they were in gun seizure. The two were compatible in the sense that in order for the Brits to do that, they have to break down any resistance and by that time, the Colonists were too busy themselves exploiting the native populations.

Believe it or not, I'm all for the Second Amendment - in its truest form. A "right" to properly organize a militia against governmental tyranny should be commonplace in every nation. I'm a gun owner myself of a Glock 40 and a Beretta 9mm. I believe in the right to protect myself and personal property but I'll be god damned if I'm going to carry either one of them on my hip and walk into a Chipotle restaurant claiming I have a right to do that as some sort of warped anti-Obama/government statement.

I grew up around guns. Hunted since I was 9, served in the military where I shot M4's. I was also taught to respect guns and to know what their purpose it for. What scares me about America is how the Second Amendment has become polluted by both the right and left. Yes, left. You'd be surprised just how many liberals love their guns in this country more than conservatives.

Owning a gun does not give anyone the right to be an ass with it. The Forefathers could never have envisioned an average citizen with arsenal of quasi-military semi-automatics. Then again, they also couldn't see the local police becoming more militarized as well.

What gets me is no matter how violent America has become or exponentiated that violence there has to be gun control and regulation and contrary to so many paranoid 'Mercia gun owners it is not some kind of government ploy to circumvent the Second Amendment. I'm so tired of these asshats screaming "socialism" as a means to have such firepower unchecked. I'm willing to bet such individuals wouldn't know what a socialist was if Karl Marx himself was behind the counter of a McDonald's they walked into.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #217 - May 1^st, 2015 at 11:00am

Marla, you read like some self-avowed Goddam Commie! Don' know what they be teachin' you in the US Marines but in my day, it was all John Wayne and Sands of Iwo Jima! Americans love their guns more than themselves and their families I find! And so they should, as those guns defend their freedoms against the gun grabbers in Washington! You know them black-sympathetic folk who think that 'cause the Police and White people have guns, to defend themselves against all them Black people, they need to have them removed to allow them Black people to take what those White people are payin' the banks to own! Grin

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #218 - May 1^st, 2015 at 11:02am

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Sounds and reads like reconstituted NRA propaganda.

Facts can do that at times, especially if facts are contrary to a political philosophy, a philosophy that holds the true meaning of the Second Amendment in contempt. History has happened, it's been clearly documented, & can be easily verified.

Believe it or not, I'm all for the Second Amendment - in its truest form. A "right" to properly organize a militia against governmental tyranny should be commonplace in every nation.

In it's purest form, "you" are the Militia.......the individual can be a Militia , that is until it joins up with another, then they become a Militia of two (2), then they join up with another, etc, etc, etc. It always starts with one (1).

Owning a gun does not give anyone the right to be an ass with it.

Exactly, but if you do no harm to your fellow citizen, government should leave you be. If you break the law, and as you call it, you become an "ass" with guns, then you should be held accountable to the rule of law. Until then though, government's only business is to observe, serve, and protect.

What gets me is no matter how violent America has become or exponentiated that violence there has to be gun control and regulation and contrary to so many paranoid 'Mercia gun owners it is not some kind of government ploy to circumvent the Second Amendment.

If no one is doing wrong by breaking the law to cause harm to his fellow citizens, there is no need for regulation, and government/politicians needn't create regulations to fulfill their self-serving need(s) to exist. Regulations for the sole sake of regulation is the grass roots of tyranny.

Have a beer on me, it's my shout. 11 am here so it's beer o'clock! Wink

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #219 - May 1^st, 2015 at 11:07am

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

Well HB, as a monarchy America would have stayed small. Texas was founded as an Independent Nation, if the US was a week little monarchy it would have stayed its own country. Texas probably would have grown to include all of the American West and been the dominant Nation in the western hemisphere. Even part of modern day Colorado was inside the boarders of the Nation of Texas.

You don't think a US based monarchy would have helped to protect the property and other rights of the minorities in colonial American society? You know the Native Americans and Blacks? The people your constitution didn't apply to? Despite it's proclamation that all men are equal?

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Or there would have been no strong allies in WW2 and Imperial Japan would now be your Master!

I think Brian has addressed this. It's a myth.

If, as you believe the US would have remained weak and small, there wouldn't have been any Commodore Peary so Japan would have remained weak and small and far less ambitious... Grin

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You ask why we are suspicious of our Government? Because it has too many corrupt, power hungry bureaucrats and self-important parasites. If they could have disallowed the Overseas Military vote in 2000 Al Gore would have been President for at least four years and never founded the Church Of Global Warming.

Except Global Warming exists... Grin

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They did disallow it in 2008 and 2012. They allowed election day voter registration without any form of Identification and far more people voted then lived in those precincts, hundreds used the same addresses. Electronic voting machines in some precincts recorded 100% of the votes for Pokey even though there were registered Republicans who voted. So you might wonder why the Republicans didn't make more of a fuss over all the fraud? After all the dirty tricks they used to win the Primaries for the Washington Insiders they didn't have any moral ground to complain. I watched almost all the Primary Debates and the questions were designed to steer opinion in favor of certain candidates.

Or perhaps certain candidates were able to answer the questions better? Heave forbid that instead of some god-fearin' fruit loop an intelligent person won the candidature! Who'd have thought such a thing would ha' happened, hey? Grin

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #221 - May 1^st, 2015 at 11:14am

|dev|null wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 11:11am:

Tap wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 11:02am:

Have a beer on me, it's my shout. 11 am here so it's beer o'clock! Wink

In the morning or the evening?

Either way, I think we can finally agree on something! Cheers! Grin

AM is usually in the morning, that is unless your passed out under the sundial. Cheesy

Cheers

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Disarming USA Reply #222 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 9:27am Live from Baltimore
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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7311 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: Disarming USA Reply #223 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 10:43am I'm sure you will get a lot of panties in a bunch with that.
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Marla Gold Member Offline A joint a day keeps the MAGA away Posts: 14672 Colorado Gender:	Re: Disarming USA Reply #224 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 11:00am Naw. The more I spend on this site, the more blatant racism and xenophobia I find.
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