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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #195 - Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:37am

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 28^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

You really have a twisted view of American History. Is Quigly Down Under based on the way you treated the Aborigine?

Dunno, never seen that piece of American trash! Cheesy

As my partner is a Noonga, I have a much better idea than most white Australians about how blacks were treated downunder and it wasn't nice. Obviously, not as bad as SLAVERY - something your own nation went to war over!

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Last I read them folks are mostly using bricks against the Police cars and local property in Baltimore! You will not find even one Black Voice condemning their actions.

I believe Brian has addressed that. Grin

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Reply #196 - Apr 29^th, 2015 at 9:02pm

Since history is written by the winners I'm sure you believe the War between the States was all about slavery. Slavery could have been Legislated away, the South didn't have the votes to prevent it. Even the current definition of the Morrill Tariff is only half a story, it disproportionally taxed the agricultural South by a wide margin. Basically the South could support almost the entire federal government while the north reaped most of the benefits. The Cash Cow tried to secede which it had every right to do under the Constitution.

Black people owned slaves in America too. The first recorded slave holder was Anthony Johnson a Negro from modern-day Angola. By 1830 there were 3,775 black families living in the South who owned black slaves. By 1860 there were about 3,000 slaves owned by black households in the city of New Orleans alone.

Do internet search on John Casor, Anthony Johnson and slavery..

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #197 - Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:23pm

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

Black people owned slaves in America too. The first recorded slave holder was Anthony Johnson a Negro from modern-day Angola. By 1830 there were 3,775 black families living in the South who owned black slaves. By 1860 there were about 3,000 slaves owned by black households in the city of New Orleans alone.

And the total population of New Orleans was how many in 1860?

You're talking about a minority of black slave holders. How many blacks were slaves in the United States before the end of the Civil War? Millions? Roll Eyes

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #198 - Apr 30^th, 2015 at 6:00am

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:23pm:

And the total population of New Orleans was how many in 1860?

You're talking about a minority of black slave holders. How many blacks were slaves in the United States before the end of the Civil War? Millions? Roll Eyes

Go easy on him. After all, he was taught in the Texas public educational system (which ranks dead last in the USA).

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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7311 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: Disarming USA Reply #199 - Apr 30^th, 2015 at 6:23am Maybe we became last because three fourth of today's Texas public school students don't speak English at home and at least one parent doesn't speak English at all. Our private schools and home schooled students do as well as anyone .
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Marla Gold Member Offline A joint a day keeps the MAGA away Posts: 14670 Colorado Gender:	Re: Disarming USA Reply #200 - Apr 30^th, 2015 at 6:57am And there is Texas intellectualism for you: blame all of society's ills on everyone but yourselves.
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Reply #202 - Apr 30^th, 2015 at 8:36am

Is this another Texas-warped political view on socialism even though you cannot define the word itself?

I take it you are a wannabe Libertardian who only loves America as long you can crap all over the poor, own guns without any regulation, believe Jesus is real, and only elect numbskulls like Ted Nugent.

I wonder what your future will be like.

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Reply #204 - Apr 30^th, 2015 at 1:35pm

If you've ever had the misfortune of finding yourself in Texas you'll soon find yourself surrounded by a lot of paranoid people with an anti-Obama/cloaked racist agenda.

I had one tell me Obama is "in it" with the aliens to take away all of America's guns and that they are already here living in underground bunkers at the Denver airport. This was back in 2010. Has yet to happen.

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Reply #206 - Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:02pm

Well HB, as a monarchy America would have stayed small. Texas was founded as an Independent Nation, if the US was a week little monarchy it would have stayed its own country. Texas probably would have grown to include all of the American West and been the dominant Nation in the western hemisphere. Even part of modern day Colorado was inside the boarders of the Nation of Texas.

Or there would have been no strong allies in WW2 and Imperial Japan would now be your Master!

You ask why we are suspicious of our Government? Because it has too many corrupt, power hungry bureaucrats and self-important parasites. If they could have disallowed the Overseas Military vote in 2000 Al Gore would have been President for at least four years and never founded the Church Of Global Warming. They did disallow it in 2008 and 2012. They allowed election day voter registration without any form of Identification and far more people voted then lived in those precincts, hundreds used the same addresses. Electronic voting machines in some precincts recorded 100% of the votes for Pokey even though there were registered Republicans who voted. So you might wonder why the Republicans didn't make more of a fuss over all the fraud? After all the dirty tricks they used to win the Primaries for the Washington Insiders they didn't have any moral ground to complain. I watched almost all the Primary Debates and the questions were designed to steer opinion in favor of certain candidates.

And Marla, you should read the books by Dave Ramsey rather then Saul Alinsky, by the time you are debt free you won't be a Liberal anymore!

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Reply #208 - May 1^st, 2015 at 12:01am

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I've often wondered what America would have turned out like if say, a Monarchy had been created in 1776, rather than the ramshackle republic which was created. Marla, what do you think it would have been like? Grin

Not much different from what it is today. Substitute traditional monarchy rule with corporations - particularly those who make smart bombs, tanks, fighter planes, etc and their bed buddies the oil industry and what you have is a near monarchy that exist solely for its own purpose.

If America was ever a democracy, much less a republic as I have been lied to in school then it was short-lived.

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Reply #209 - May 1^st, 2015 at 12:03am

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

Well HB, as a monarchy America would have stayed small. Texas was founded as an Independent Nation, if the US was a week little monarchy it would have stayed its own country. Texas probably would have grown to include all of the American West and been the dominant Nation in the western hemisphere. Even part of modern day Colorado was inside the boarders of the Nation of Texas.

I wonder how the Native Americans would have been treated?

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Or there would have been no strong allies in WW2 and Imperial Japan would now be your Master!

Japan didn't have plans to invade Australia, therefore, how would it have become our, "Master"?

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You ask why we are suspicious of our Government? Because it has too many corrupt, power hungry bureaucrats and self-important parasites. If they could have disallowed the Overseas Military vote in 2000 Al Gore would have been President for at least four years and never founded the Church Of Global Warming. They did disallow it in 2008 and 2012. They allowed election day voter registration without any form of Identification and far more people voted then lived in those precincts, hundreds used the same addresses. Electronic voting machines in some precincts recorded 100% of the votes for Pokey even though there were registered Republicans who voted. So you might wonder why the Republicans didn't make more of a fuss over all the fraud? After all the dirty tricks they used to win the Primaries for the Washington Insiders they didn't have any moral ground to complain. I watched almost all the Primary Debates and the questions were designed to steer opinion in favor of certain candidates.
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I think that's a problem with your political system and it's lack of strong, centralised control. In reality perhaps it's too late for America and Americans to grow up?

What happened to the USA? In the last 50 years we've seen it slowly dissolve before our very eyes as people have forgotten how to be a nation in favour of 320,206,000 individuals, all moaning and whinging about something or other. Roll Eyes

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And Marla, you should read the books by Dave Ramsey rather then Saul Alinsky, by the time you are debt free you won't be a Liberal anymore!

I'm surprised you're not pushing Ayn Rand... Roll Eyes

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