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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #15 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:49pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:27pm:

Well my brother was in the Cadets in high school, and they did do range days. As I recall, there were even rifles stored in the cadet's store room in the school ( mind you, this was 30+ years ago, so it might be very different now)

I have never heard of real rifles stored on campus at high schools etc now a days. A few years ago it was probably common but today it would be unusual thanks to all the gun control laws now a days. I remember picking up my brother from school in the early 90s and kids having their rifles and shotguns in the truck racks because it was hunting season. My how times have changed.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #17 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:14pm

Jeff from Tennessee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Why is that some are so quick to think that stealing guns from private citizens or regulating weapons is the way to go? I haven't met many crooks that obey the law. In fact, I haven't met any thugs or crooks that care what the law is. Gun control laws only hurt the law abiding.

Yeah, I've been trying to explain that to Jasignature for ages..He just can't seem to grasp it.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #19 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:43pm

Jeff from Tennessee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Why is that some are so quick to think that stealing guns from private citizens or regulating weapons is the way to go? I haven't met many crooks that obey the law. In fact, I haven't met any thugs or crooks that care what the law is. Gun control laws only hurt the law abiding.

Yet - in your country 30,000 people die from being shot by guns every year -
that's 10 x as many who died from 911.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #20 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:48pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:43pm:

Jeff from Tennessee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Why is that some are so quick to think that stealing guns from private citizens or regulating weapons is the way to go? I haven't met many crooks that obey the law. In fact, I haven't met any thugs or crooks that care what the law is. Gun control laws only hurt the law abiding.

Yet - in your country 30,000 people die from being shot by guns every year -
that's 10 x as many who died from 911.

And how many die in motor vehicle accidents??

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #21 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:50pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:43pm:

Jeff from Tennessee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Why is that some are so quick to think that stealing guns from private citizens or regulating weapons is the way to go? I haven't met many crooks that obey the law. In fact, I haven't met any thugs or crooks that care what the law is. Gun control laws only hurt the law abiding.

Yet - in your country 30,000 people die from being shot by guns every year -
that's 10 x as many who died from 911.

And how many die in motor vehicle accidents??

At least the criminals aren't better armed than the general population. Like here.

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Reply #22 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:54pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:43pm:

Jeff from Tennessee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Why is that some are so quick to think that stealing guns from private citizens or regulating weapons is the way to go? I haven't met many crooks that obey the law. In fact, I haven't met any thugs or crooks that care what the law is. Gun control laws only hurt the law abiding.

Yet - in your country 30,000 people die from being shot by guns every year -
that's 10 x as many who died from 911.

And how many die in motor vehicle accidents??

About the same: 32,000 people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

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Reply #23 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:57pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:43pm:

Jeff from Tennessee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Why is that some are so quick to think that stealing guns from private citizens or regulating weapons is the way to go? I haven't met many crooks that obey the law. In fact, I haven't met any thugs or crooks that care what the law is. Gun control laws only hurt the law abiding.

Yet - in your country 30,000 people die from being shot by guns every year -
that's 10 x as many who died from 911.

And how many die in motor vehicle accidents??

About the same: 32,000 people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

And that's out of a population of 300 million..

It's really only about 3.6 people per 100 thousand in the country (the shooting deaths homicides I mean)

almost made a boo-boo there

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Reply #25 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 6:00pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:43pm:

Jeff from Tennessee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Why is that some are so quick to think that stealing guns from private citizens or regulating weapons is the way to go? I haven't met many crooks that obey the law. In fact, I haven't met any thugs or crooks that care what the law is. Gun control laws only hurt the law abiding.

Yet - in your country 30,000 people die from being shot by guns every year -
that's 10 x as many who died from 911.

And how many die in motor vehicle accidents??

About the same: 32,000 people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

And that's out of a population of 300 million..

What is your point of contention?

30,000 people die every year - that's
82 people die every day from guns in the USA -
that's more than 3 per hour.

Many are suicides & accidents but the figures to me are shocking.

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Reply #26 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 6:02pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 6:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:43pm:

Jeff from Tennessee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Why is that some are so quick to think that stealing guns from private citizens or regulating weapons is the way to go? I haven't met many crooks that obey the law. In fact, I haven't met any thugs or crooks that care what the law is. Gun control laws only hurt the law abiding.

Yet - in your country 30,000 people die from being shot by guns every year -
that's 10 x as many who died from 911.

And how many die in motor vehicle accidents??

About the same: 32,000 people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

And that's out of a population of 300 million..

What is your point of contention?

30,000 people die every year - that's
82 people die every day from guns in the USA -
that's more than 3 per hour.

Many are suicides & accidents but the figures to me are shocking.

Yeah, and it's only 10 times our shooting death rate, and there's a lot more than 10 times the number of guns in the US, compared to Australia.

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 117516 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Disarming USA Reply #27 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 6:30pm Gizmo - 10x our shooting rate? Can you prove that?
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Reply #28 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 6:51pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 6:30pm:

Gizmo - 10x our shooting rate?

Can you prove that?

Yeah
Ours was 1.06 per 100,000 firearm related deaths in 2010.
The US was 10.3 per 100,000 firearm related deaths in 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Also of course there are about 89 guns per 100 people in the US (2007) and only 15 per 100 people in Australia (2007)

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viewpoint Gold Member Offline A joke is a very serious thing. [Winston] Posts: 2209 Gender:	Re: Disarming USA Reply #29 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 6:57pm freediver wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:18pm: Jeff from Tennessee wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:43am: What would be good is firearms safety training programs in government schools. I would imagine he meant gun schools not bloody kids schools. And I am sure you knew that FD.
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