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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #105 - Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:13pm

Panther wrote on Feb 17^th, 2015 at 9:39am:

Who in their wildest dreams thinks that there is a force on earth that can disarm all the American Citizens of their personal weapons, much less disarm the USA?

JFYI ......... It has been suggested that American Citizens have a larger arsenal than the US Federal Government does.

You are fairly clueless arent you? The US has disarmed many its citizens on large scale quite a number of times in history. Pretend tough guys with guns no matter what the calibre are no match for a well trained army.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #106 - Feb 21^st, 2015 at 11:56am

rhino wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:13pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 17^th, 2015 at 9:39am:

Who in their wildest dreams thinks that there is a force on earth that can disarm all the American Citizens of their personal weapons, much less disarm the USA?

JFYI ......... It has been suggested that American Citizens have a larger arsenal than the US Federal Government does.

You are fairly clueless arent you? The US has disarmed many its citizens on large scale quite a number of times in history.

You know absolutely nothing of which you speak.

You're beyond delusional in this regard......It's never been done on a large scale, even a small scale, but by all means feel free to prove your imagination has become occupant of some corner of reality. (outside of to you that is)

IMHO I reckon some of yer melted cheese has completely slid off yer cracker.

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Pretend tough guys with guns no matter what the calibre are no match for a well trained army.

That is, with all due respect, complete lunacy. They would never have to face the Army, because on the scale you speak, the Army would not fire upon American Citizens protecting their Second Amendment Rights.

The well trained army you speak of are all volunteer American Citizens, firearms lovers -- Second Amendment protectors to a man (they swear a solemn sworn oath to defend the U.S. Constitution first & foremost, not to a Country, not to a Flag, not to a 2-bit Political Leader, President, or General) if it came down to confiscating firearms from the general public (an illegal order), they'd not follow those orders because it would be breaking their solemn sworn oaths, & they are acutely aware of that. Unalike too many here in Australia, that means heaps more than any political party's agenda.

You are, again, with all due respect, completely ignorant about America, & The Right to Keep & Bear Arms (The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, which is the law of the land, & close to the hearts of virtually every American regardless of station).

The President, the Commander-in-Chief of all the Armed Forces, wouldn't have a chance in hell of having that order followed (except by a few here & there), much less realistically enforced!

I bet you didn't know that if an order is contrary to the U.S. Constitution (illegal), no military leader from top all the way down, or soldier, is required to follow it, in fact would be held personally accountable to court marshal if he/they did.

So, might I suggest, at your earliest convenience, brush up on your American History & Law fella, before flexin' yer pie hole.

You know absolutely nothing of which you speak.

As American's know & see it:

Thomas Jefferson

Author of the American Declaration of Independence
American Founding Father
Third President of the United States of America

American Gun Trivia:

The actual number of American Gun Owners is unknown, & probably much higher.

As you probably see it???

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #108 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 12:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:06pm:

You can't put the numerous countries who's rule of law is a gun ahead of the states for gun crime.

Doesn't take anything away from the fact that Americans are gun nuts.

http://yellowhammernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/GUns.png

Gun ownership is around 35% of the population in the USA.

There are many who own more than 1 gun,there is a serious flaw in your picture which claims gun ownership based on gun numbers assuming 1 gun per person.

The guy who runs gunpolicy.org Philip Alpers had his funding cut by Sydney Uni because he isn't a real Professor.

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Baronvonrort Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20441 Gender:	Re: Disarming USA Reply #109 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 12:59pm The firearm homicide rate has dropped by over 49% since 1992 in the USA. This drop in firearm homicides has happened at the exact same time concealed carry was allowed in the USA. Did the USA drop their firearm homicide rate by half by allowing concealed carry?
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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #110 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 1:21pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 12:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:06pm:

You can't put the numerous countries who's rule of law is a gun ahead of the states for gun crime.

Doesn't take anything away from the fact that Americans are gun nuts.

http://yellowhammernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/GUns.png

Gun ownership is around 35% of the population in the USA.

There are many who own more than 1 gun,there is a serious flaw in your picture which claims gun ownership based on gun numbers assuming 1 gun per person.

The guy who runs gunpolicy.org Philip Alpers had his funding cut by Sydney Uni because he isn't a real Professor.

Funny, his website still claims:
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GunPolicy.org is hosted by the Sydney School of Public Health, the University of Sydney. The School provides internationally recognised leadership in public health by advancing and disseminating knowledge — in this case, supporting global efforts to prevent gun injury.

[http://www.gunpolicy.org/about]
And carries the Uni of Sydney's crest! So, is he telling likes now as well Baron? Cheesy

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #111 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 1:37pm

|dev|null wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 1:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 12:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:06pm:

You can't put the numerous countries who's rule of law is a gun ahead of the states for gun crime.

Doesn't take anything away from the fact that Americans are gun nuts.

http://yellowhammernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/GUns.png

Gun ownership is around 35% of the population in the USA.

There are many who own more than 1 gun,there is a serious flaw in your picture which claims gun ownership based on gun numbers assuming 1 gun per person.

The guy who runs gunpolicy.org Philip Alpers had his funding cut by Sydney Uni because he isn't a real Professor.

Funny, his website still claims:
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GunPolicy.org is hosted by the Sydney School of Public Health, the University of Sydney. The School provides internationally recognised leadership in public health by advancing and disseminating knowledge — in this case, supporting global efforts to prevent gun injury.

[http://www.gunpolicy.org/about]
And carries the Uni of Sydney's crest! So, is he telling likes now as well Baron? Cheesy

That website hasn't been updated for a few years, there have been no updates since they cut his funding.

Philip Alpers never enrolled at University, he did drugs by day and partied at night,Sydney Uni realised he was full of BS and cut his funding.
www.examiner.com/article/does-gun-website-arm-with-facts-or-with-propaganda

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #112 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:16pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 1:37pm:

|dev|null wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 1:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 12:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:06pm:

You can't put the numerous countries who's rule of law is a gun ahead of the states for gun crime.

Doesn't take anything away from the fact that Americans are gun nuts.

http://yellowhammernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/GUns.png

Gun ownership is around 35% of the population in the USA.

There are many who own more than 1 gun,there is a serious flaw in your picture which claims gun ownership based on gun numbers assuming 1 gun per person.

The guy who runs gunpolicy.org Philip Alpers had his funding cut by Sydney Uni because he isn't a real Professor.

Funny, his website still claims:
Quote:

GunPolicy.org is hosted by the Sydney School of Public Health, the University of Sydney. The School provides internationally recognised leadership in public health by advancing and disseminating knowledge — in this case, supporting global efforts to prevent gun injury.

[http://www.gunpolicy.org/about]
And carries the Uni of Sydney's crest! So, is he telling likes now as well Baron? Cheesy

That website hasn't been updated for a few years, there have been no updates since they cut his funding.

Philip Alpers never enrolled at University, he did drugs by day and partied at night,Sydney Uni realised he was full of BS and cut his funding.
www.examiner.com/article/does-gun-website-arm-with-facts-or-with-propaganda

A right-wing neo-Fascist viewpoint website? Really Baron, I'd expect better of you! Grin

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #113 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 6:17pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 12:59pm:

The firearm homicide rate has dropped by over 49% since 1992 in the USA.

This drop in firearm homicides has happened at the exact same time concealed carry was allowed in the USA.

Did the USA drop their firearm homicide rate by half by allowing concealed carry?

All violent crime has dropped since American States went 90% + must/will permit concealed carry.

Reported road rage is down dramatically all across America.

A version of a famous quote:

"An armed society becomes a polite society"

Actually, when inmates were asked, over 85% of hardened American criminals polled said they preferred their victims to be unarmed, & when in doubt over 70% said they would move on to find a more suitable prey rather than take the chance their target was armed.

A logical conclusion could be if more Americans are Concealed carrying, the crims are on the back-peddle.

It would also seem to follow that if more households are armed, burglaries would drop too (which it has).

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 46311	Re: Disarming USA Reply #114 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 11:13pm The Sandy Hook Project suggests your claims about Orlando are based on bad statistical analysis. Rather typical I've found of most pro-gun memes.
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Reply #115 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 7:15am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 11:13pm:

The Sandy Hook Project suggests your claims about Orlando are based on bad statistical analysis. Rather typical I've found of most pro-gun memes. Roll Eyes

And what does that have anything to do with disarming America?

Do you in your wildest dreams feel that your link, whether true or false is totally debatable, do you feel that Americans will walk up like Australian sheep, & politely hand in their firearms like good little boys & girls because of whats in your link??

Fat chance in hell!!!!

In America the largest firearm growth group, especially Concealed Carry, is amongst women.

They are arming themselves in record numbers, & the Concealed Carry Tactical Training Courses are filled to the brim with women wanting firearm (handgun) training nationwide.

Remember, in America you don't have to present a 'need' to qualify for a Concealed Carry Permit, you just have to be able to pay the fee, & present a documented training completion certificate.

I'm almost positive that Americans can own, & concealed carry any pistol they wish in 48 of 50 States.

The Genie is already out of the bottle.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #116 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 7:40am

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 12:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:06pm:

You can't put the numerous countries who's rule of law is a gun ahead of the states for gun crime.

Doesn't take anything away from the fact that Americans are gun nuts.

http://yellowhammernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/GUns.png

Gun ownership is around 35% of the population in the USA.

There are many who own more than 1 gun,there is a serious flaw in your picture which claims gun ownership based on gun numbers assuming 1 gun per person.

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Well, almost.

Because in America registration of firearm ownership is not required in the greater majority of circumstances.

Therefore, the number of those owning firearms, & the number of firearms they own are almost completely unknown.

Those figures you quote, while accepted by many, are just made up -- educated guesses, but not based on any actual fact.

That would be impossible to ascertain.

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Re: Disarming USA
Reply #117 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 12:35pm

Panther wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 7:15am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 11:13pm:

The Sandy Hook Project suggests your claims about Orlando are based on bad statistical analysis. Rather typical I've found of most pro-gun memes. Roll Eyes

And what does that have anything to do with disarming America?

Bad evidence produces bad arguments? Nah, of course not!! Grin

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Reply #118 - Mar 5^th, 2015 at 11:07pm

Someone asked a while back why the Government of the United States could never disarm the Citizens of the United States.

Sorry it took so long for me to post this.

Besides being against the Law of the Land, the order to do so, to disarm American Citizens, would be disobeyed on a grand scale by those hired by the people to enforce their laws -- Local Sheriffs, & Law Enforcement (note: their laws...the people's laws....not the government's laws, because the government is merely the employees of the people & all power is delegated by the people)

These are but a few of the hundreds upon hundreds of local law enforcement that would refuse to enforce, & confiscate firearms under any order, & respond violently if necessary to protect the Citizens right to protect themselves.....protect their right to self-defense.

Search the internet yourselves, & you will see that disarming the American People would be impossible, & if nothing else, may cause a second American Revolution (I kid you not) if government should try to disarm them.

Americans will not hand in their firearms for any reason, especially under any order from government, because they know their right to keep & bear arms is not for sport shooting, not to hunt duck or other game, it's to protect themselves from tyranny, from a tyrannical government who some day might just want to take away all their rights....one by one.

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