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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #300 - Apr 16^th, 2014 at 10:52pm

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

Crap. They are the inevitable product of Islam. Most people living under foreign occupation dream of voting in their own leaders.

Um.. yes thats the whole point.

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

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If you are so sure the Americans are intent on installing democracy, why were they so supportive of a President who so blatantly rigged elections?

Because the alternative was the Taliban

Lol no it wasn't. The alternative was Abdulah Abdulah, former foreign minister under Karzai, and set to finally become the new president. Karzai rigged the previous election to rob him of victory, and the west backed him to the hilt. The west invested itself in propping up Karzai's corrupt and criminal cartel, not democracy.

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

Is that why they blow up police stations and polling booths? Were the dead American soldiers collateral damage?

Ah yes - because thats the only violence that happens in Afghanistan right? I repeat, most of the "insurgency" in Afghanistan is the same old tit-for-tat tribal fighting that has gone on for centuries. No one actually disputes this FD - try and educate yourself for once.

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

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The west is responsible for the greatest episodes of slaughter and cultural genocides the world has ever seen.

Yet we are ideologically opposed to it.

And? Thats not a rebuttal FD.

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

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Australia and the US would not exist today without them.

Why not?

Agriculture and exploitation of the land. Did it never occur to you that there were people living and occupying the land we took over to build our prosperity?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52822 At my desk.	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #301 - Apr 17^th, 2014 at 9:07am Gandalf are you seriously suggesting that despite spending a decade establishing democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan, the west does not actually support democracy, and Karzai's election proves this? Isn't this just as retarded as saying America isn't a democracy because Bush stole the election?
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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #302 - Apr 17^th, 2014 at 6:35pm

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 9:07am:

Gandalf are you seriously suggesting that despite spending a decade establishing democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan, the west does not actually support democracy, and Karzai's election proves this? Isn't this just as retarded as saying America isn't a democracy because Bush stole the election?

I'm seriously suggesting that the west hasn't spent a decade establishing democracy. Allowing people to "vote" for twiddle dee or twiddle dum, and trumpeting a few photo ops with smiling women holding up an ink covered finger - does not a democracy make.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52822 At my desk.	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #303 - Apr 17^th, 2014 at 7:12pm So what would it look like if there was real democracy? Is America pulling the strings from the shadows still?
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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #304 - Apr 17^th, 2014 at 8:08pm

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

So what would it look like if there was real democracy?

I think its incumbent upon you to explain why anyone should believe you when you say America has established a democracy there - given the corruption, lack of transparency and entrenched authoritarianism that is so rampant there. A widely used democracy scale puts Afghanistan 180th out of 182 - ahead only of Somalia and North Korea.

Exactly what is so "democratic" about Afghanistan now FD? Or did you just think that setting up an election (that is rampantly rigged) and trumpet a few photos of giddy voters is all you need to "establish" democracy?

http://costsofwar.org/article/did-wars-bring-democracy-afghanistan-and-iraq

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #305 - Apr 17^th, 2014 at 9:39pm

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A widely used democracy scale puts Afghanistan 180th out of 182 - ahead only of Somalia and North Korea.

When was that?

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Exactly what is so "democratic" about Afghanistan now FD?

The elections.

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Or did you just think that setting up an election (that is rampantly rigged) and trumpet a few photos of giddy voters is all you need to "establish" democracy?

Of course not. You also need to kill thousands of Muslim extremists. We are getting there, God willing.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1281248510/0#11

More than seven million of an estimated 12 million eligible people — a third of them women — cast their ballots by official close of polls for one of eight presidential candidates, as well as for provincial councillors, though Afghans waiting in queues after 5pm (10.30pm, AEST) were allowed to vote.

Early violence erupted at polling stations in Kunduz, eastern Logar and Kunar, with 20 people killed, including four civilians, and 43 wounded. Afghan security forces killed more than 80 insurgents nationwide.

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Melanias purse Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101403	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #306 - Apr 17^th, 2014 at 9:46pm Did somebody say erections? Miam Miam.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #307 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 8:23am freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 9:39pm: Quote: Exactly what is so "democratic" about Afghanistan now FD? The elections. LOL I thought so. Syria has elections too. All hail the "established" democracy in Syria eh?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52822 At my desk.	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #308 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 8:37am So where did you get this democracy scale from?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #309 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 8:46am I gave you the link. That was from 2010. The most recent one (2013) puts Afghanistan equal last with Somalia and North Korea LOL http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2013/results/
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Reply #310 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 10:48am

Democratic Afghanistan

The elections.

???i
Freedom and criminality are not compatible.

To the criminal mind [i.e. to the person, the individual with a criminal mind], freedom is a 'licence', to commit crimes and to engage in criminal activity.

QUESTION gandalf;
Why is lawlessness and oppression [and the lack of personal freedoms] so pronounced and so, so, apparent within all majority moslem jurisdictions ?

ANSWER;
ISLAM [....encourages lawlessness in the human psyche, i.e. ISLAM facilitates the annihilation of the human conscience]

Dictionary;
annihilate = = destroy utterly. defeat utterly.iThe principle dictum which ISLAM imposes upon the moslem psyche.....

"....those who are not like us must be enslaved or murdered."

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #311 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 1:48pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 8:46am:

I gave you the link.

That was from 2010. The most recent one (2013) puts Afghanistan equal last with Somalia and North Korea LOL

http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2013/results/

That’s the sort of thing FD likes to see.

Freedom and demokracy. I do feel it makes our involvement all the more worthwhile, don’t you? It does give one a warm inner glow.

Apart from the rise in arms stock - almost a hundred percent in 2001. Not a bad little earner.

We all love freedom, FD.

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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #312 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 1:53pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

Democratic Afghanistan

The elections.

???i
Freedom and criminality are not compatible.

To the criminal mind [i.e. to the person, the individual with a criminal mind], freedom is a 'licence', to commit crimes and to engage in criminal activity.

QUESTION gandalf;
Why is lawlessness and oppression [and the lack of personal freedoms] so pronounced and so, so, apparent within all majority moslem jurisdictions ?

ANSWER;
ISLAM [....encourages lawlessness in the human psyche, i.e. ISLAM facilitates the annihilation of the human conscience]

Dictionary;
annihilate = = destroy utterly. defeat utterly.iThe principle dictum which ISLAM imposes upon the moslem psyche.....

"....those who are not like us must be enslaved or murdered."

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Ah yes, Y, the sinister inner workings of the criminal mind. Those Moslems don’t need an imam - they need a criminologist.

They’re crooks, the lot of them. Don’t let G try to fool you otherwise.

Google: each and every Moslem is a criminal and belongs in prison.

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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #313 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 5:58pm

Melanias purse wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

Freedom and criminality are not compatible.

To the criminal mind [i.e. to the person, the individual with a criminal mind], freedom is a 'licence', to commit crimes and to engage in criminal activity.

QUESTION gandalf;
Why is lawlessness and oppression [and the lack of personal freedoms] so pronounced and so, so, apparent within all majority moslem jurisdictions ?

ANSWER;
ISLAM [....encourages lawlessness in the human psyche, i.e. ISLAM facilitates the annihilation of the human conscience]

Dictionary;
annihilate = = destroy utterly. defeat utterly.iThe principle dictum which ISLAM imposes upon the moslem psyche.....

"....those who are not like us must be enslaved or murdered."

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Ah yes, Y, the sinister inner workings of the criminal mind. Those Moslems don’t need an imam - they need a criminologist.

They’re crooks, the lot of them. Don’t let G try to fool you otherwise.

Google: each and every Moslem is a criminal and belongs in prison.

Thanks K [....for your contribution to the debate about ISLAM - its intent, its consequences, and its methods].

And i took your advice.

I Googled;
each and every Moslem is a criminal

The 1st hits included....

Norway deports record number of Muslims to reduce crime |
themuslimissue.wordpress.com/.../norway-deports-record-number-of-mu...‎
Jan 27, 2014 - Foreign criminals who return face two years' jail (04 Dec 13); Immigrant parents ..... We should all have a Muslim whore as our toy white power.

NORWAY: New right wing government is kicking out foreign ...
www.barenakedislam.com/.../norway-new-right-wing-government-is-kic...‎
Jan 29, 2014 - Deport all muslims out of every county. The oil Arabs collect money and shove their criminals to Greece and all over europe, usa, china and ...

Muslim immigrant gangs, having all but destroyed Swedish ...
www.barenakedislam.com/.../muslim-immigrant-gangs-having-all-but-de...‎
Feb 7, 2014 - Muslim immigrant gangs, having all but destroyed Swedish cities like Malmo are expanding their crime and burglary sprees to Oslo, Norway ...

Documentation Of Muslim Brotherhood Crimes In Egypt ...
heyegypt.com/documentation-of-muslim-brotherhood-crimes-in-egypt/‎
Dec 15, 2013 - Terrorism industry in the history of Muslim Brotherhood documented report about all Muslim Brotherhood crimes and terror acts from 24/2/1945 ...

As Hate Crimes Rise, British Muslims Say They're Becoming ...
www.nytimes.com/.../as-hate-crimes-rise-british-muslims-say-theyre-becom...
Feb 13, 2014 - Anti-Muslim hate crimes are up, the police and Muslim advocacy groups .... But for all the problems, he said, Britain is seen by many Muslims as ...

Muslim Statistics - WikiIslam
wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics‎
Dec 14, 2013 - More than half of all Yemeni girls are married before reaching puberty. ... Jewish victims of hate crimes in the US outnumber Muslim victims by a ...

Muslim Statistics (Crime and Prejudice) - WikiIslam
wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Crime_and_Prejudice‎
Dec 30, 2013 - For crimes against non-Muslims, see Persecution and Terrorism. .... Anti-Muslim incidents only account for 1.3% of all hate crimes.

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