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Lionel Edriess

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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #105 - Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 9:09pm

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Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 5:41pm:

Question - Why is Christianity protected by blasphemy laws in the UK and no other religion is?

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 7:56pm:

I wonder what Lionel's opinion is on that?

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Lionel's opinion is that if you can't remember simple grammatical rules, then you should take extra care when committing opinion to paper, or, in our case, submitting opinion to public scrutiny.

In this instance, you have forgotten a Golden Rule:

* never end a sentence with a preposition

And 'is', as the third person singular present of 'be' - is, as such, a preposition.

I also vaguely recall something about people in glass houses.

You now have my opinion.

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polite_gandalf

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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #106 - Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 10:17pm

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 8:15pm:

I do. The question I am asking is how far would you go. Do I need to repeat the question?

Do I need to repeat the answer Grin

I would ban people marching down the street with placards calling for people to be beheaded - thats how far I would go. Do I need to describe it in an even different way before you understand this?

Any actual thoughts about this - or are you just going to keep making inane point-scoring comments?

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 8:15pm:

No gandalf you gave no details at all last time. You merely regurgitated a pamphlet on hate speech and prefaced it with "in a restaurant".

Well now you should have all the details you need to make some constructive conversation about this issue. And yet, here you are nitpicking and making witty one-liners.

One could be forgiven that you are not interested in having a constructive discussion at all - and are only interested in the point scoring game.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #107 - Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 10:47pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 9:09pm:

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Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 5:41pm:

Question - Why is Christianity protected by blasphemy laws in the UK and no other religion is?

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 7:56pm:

I wonder what Lionel's opinion is on that?

Oh! You remember me!

Cool

Lionel's opinion is that if you can't remember simple grammatical rules, then you should take extra care when committing opinion to paper, or, in our case, submitting opinion to public scrutiny.

In this instance, you have forgotten a Golden Rule:

* never end a sentence with a preposition

And 'is', as the third person singular present of 'be' - is, as such, a preposition.

I also vaguely recall something about people in glass houses.

You now have my opinion.

Roll Eyes

Sorry to butt in, but the word "is" is a verb and not a preposition. A preposition denotes something spatial, such as during, below, beneath, before, on, in etc.

Nevertheless, Brian Ross' sentence was grammatically awkward.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49841 At my desk.	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #108 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 12:27pm Quote: I would ban people marching down the street with placards calling for people to be beheaded - thats how far I would go. Do I need to describe it in an even different way before you understand this? Are you saying that is a borderline case?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #109 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 3:01pm borderline what?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49841 At my desk.	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #110 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 7:07pm Gandalf, are you familiar with the phrase "draw the line"?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #111 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 8:22pm Are you familiar with the phrase "get to the bloody point and stop being cryptic"?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49841 At my desk.	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #112 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 9:11pm Where would you draw the line?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #113 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 10:43am You seem to be setting some ingenious trap for me. However before I fall for the bait, I need to have some idea of what you are talking about.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49841 At my desk.	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #114 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 1:13pm I have asked you the same question a dozen different ways already Gandalf. You have not once given anything resembling a straight answer. Go back and read them. I am not going to type it out again only for you to have yet another "me no speaka da English" moment.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #115 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 2:59pm I gave you my answer to your question 'how far would I go', you then followed it up with the cryptic question "is it a borderline case?" - which I literally have no idea what you mean. Feel free to indulge in a couple of sentences, or even a paragraph, to make this comprehensible.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #116 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 4:40pm Sprintcyclist wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 7:32pm: well done FD. You have shown great patience. muslims are very good at diverting questions Sprint is throwing stones!
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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #117 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:

I gave you my answer to your question 'how far would I go', you then followed it up with the cryptic question "is it a borderline case?" - which I literally have no idea what you mean.

Feel free to indulge in a couple of sentences, or even a paragraph, to make this comprehensible.

It means the same thing Gandalf. How far you would go, is up to where you would draw the line, which is where the borderline cases are.

There is a conflict between freedom of speech and whatever justifications you have for wanting to restrict it. No matter how convenient you think your definitions are, you still need to draw the line somewhere. That is what I have been trying to ask you. I am not asking you what an obvious example of the crime is.

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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #118 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:28pm

The line I would draw is between protecting the right to speech and protecting the right not to be vilified or threatened with physical violence.

Thats the best I can do without going in to a specific example - like the placard example. And the borderline there would be (IMO), between saying "offending the prophet should not be allowed" (acceptable) and "kill/physically hurt anyone who offends the prophet" (unacceptable).

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 43407	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #119 - Jun 9^th, 2013 at 3:44pm Gandalf, the only effort I see being undertaken to silence and intimidate people here is that of the bigots. They browbeat any who speak out of turn and disagree with their views.
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