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darkhall67

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Re: Grow some balls Adam
Reply #60 - May 28^th, 2013 at 2:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

FriYAY wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

Calling a black person an Ape isn’t racist ...

Correct.

It's a term used to insult people of all nationalities and skin colours.

One can insult a black person without being racist.

Calling a black person an 'idiot' is certainly not racist, just as calling them an 'ape' is not racist.

Some people, however, seem to think that any criticism of a black person is racism.

Absolute fools.

Here's a good explanation for you;

There are apes, and there are apes. From one white man to another, ''ape'' mostly is a moderate, if unimaginative insult. Between friends, it might also be a rough endearment.

From a white person to a black person, ''ape'' is more pejorative by far. It is freighted with centuries of treatment as a sub-species, of oppression and subjugation, and in this country, of a history that began with near genocide, withheld constitutional recognition until 1967 and that leaves indigenous Australians still among the most disadvantaged in the nation.

It is not the word itself that cuts to the quick, but the attitude it entrenches.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/goodes-critics-way-off-mark-20130527-2n7kr.html#ixzz2UYlI6dmy

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/goodes-critics-way-off-mark-20130527-2n7kr...

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greggerypeccary

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Re: Grow some balls Adam
Reply #61 - May 28^th, 2013 at 2:54pm

darkhall67 wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

FriYAY wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

Calling a black person an Ape isn’t racist ...

Correct.

It's a term used to insult people of all nationalities and skin colours.

One can insult a black person without being racist.

Calling a black person an 'idiot' is certainly not racist, just as calling them an 'ape' is not racist.

Some people, however, seem to think that any criticism of a black person is racism.

Absolute fools.

Here's a good explanation for you ...

It's an explanation: I'll give you that.

Not a good one though.

If people continue to play the racist card like this, it's only going to make things worse for the aboriginal people.

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FriYAY

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Re: Grow some balls Adam
Reply #62 - May 28^th, 2013 at 3:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:54pm:

darkhall67 wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

FriYAY wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

Calling a black person an Ape isn’t racist ...

Correct.

It's a term used to insult people of all nationalities and skin colours.

One can insult a black person without being racist.

Calling a black person an 'idiot' is certainly not racist, just as calling them an 'ape' is not racist.

Some people, however, seem to think that any criticism of a black person is racism.

Absolute fools.

Here's a good explanation for you ...

It's an explanation: I'll give you that.

Not a good one though.

If people continue to play the racist card like this, it's only going to make things worse for the aboriginal people.

They're only apes....

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Alinta Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1470 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #63 - May 28^th, 2013 at 3:04pm Damn...timed my explanation a minute or so early and the page changed....
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Re: Grow some balls Adam
Reply #64 - May 28^th, 2013 at 3:56pm

darkhall67 wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

FriYAY wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

Calling a black person an Ape isn’t racist ...

Correct.

It's a term used to insult people of all nationalities and skin colours.

One can insult a black person without being racist.

Calling a black person an 'idiot' is certainly not racist, just as calling them an 'ape' is not racist.

Some people, however, seem to think that any criticism of a black person is racism.

Absolute fools.

Here's a good explanation for you;

There are apes, and there are apes. From one white man to another, ''ape'' mostly is a moderate, if unimaginative insult. Between friends, it might also be a rough endearment.

From a white person to a black person, ''ape'' is more pejorative by far. It is freighted with centuries of treatment as a sub-species, of oppression and subjugation, and in this country, of a history that began with near genocide, withheld constitutional recognition until 1967 and that leaves indigenous Australians still among the most disadvantaged in the nation.

It is not the word itself that cuts to the quick, but the attitude it entrenches.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/goodes-critics-way-off-mark-20130527-2n7kr.html#ixzz2UYlI6dmy

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/goodes-critics-way-off-mark-20130527-2n7kr...

So the word "Ape" is to be the aussie version of "n i g . . ." is it? Ahh yes, because the U.S. approach has worked so fantastically well Roll Eyes

If you'd have a think about the implications of putting such importance on words, you'd realise that you yourself are being racist by default.

And what about the word "idiot"? Isn't it widely known that black people tend to score less well on (Caucasian) IQ tests?
So there's another word that could easily be construed as being racist.
Wouldn't it be easier to just not talk to them for fear of using an upsetting word?

If there's ever going to be anything approaching equality in this nation, it's not going to happen by affording special privileges and providing unfair advantages due to race, religion or gender.

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darkhall67 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1935	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #65 - May 28^th, 2013 at 4:05pm Non sequitur Non sequitur Non sequitur
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146399 Gender:	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #66 - May 28^th, 2013 at 4:10pm Amadd wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:56pm: If you'd have a think about the implications of putting such importance on words, you'd realise that you yourself are being racist by default. Bingo!
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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #67 - May 28^th, 2013 at 4:24pm greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:10pm: Amadd wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 3:56pm: If you'd have a think about the implications of putting such importance on words, you'd realise that you yourself are being racist by default. Bingo! Did you watch that blind Ape Gurrumul on the voice last night?
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #68 - May 28^th, 2013 at 4:55pm Quote: Did you watch that blind Ape Gurrumul on the voice last night? Why would you call him an ape?
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #69 - May 28^th, 2013 at 7:12pm Amadd wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:55pm: Quote: Did you watch that blind Ape Gurrumul on the voice last night? Why would you call him an ape? Gurrumul looks more like a toad. Is that racist?
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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #70 - May 28^th, 2013 at 7:15pm Amadd wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:55pm: Quote: Did you watch that blind Ape Gurrumul on the voice last night? Why would you call him an ape? Effect.
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Re: Grow some balls Adam
Reply #71 - May 28^th, 2013 at 7:17pm

... wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 7:12pm:

Amadd wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

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Did you watch that blind Ape Gurrumul on the voice last night?

Why would you call him an ape?

Gurrumul looks more like a toad. Is that racist?

I'll pay that one.

I think if he smiled he'd crack his face.
Delta was far more interesting to look at...and listen to. She looks like a Goddess..is that racist?

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Re: Grow some balls Adam
Reply #72 - May 28^th, 2013 at 7:30pm

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I think if he smiled he'd crack his face.
Delta was far more interesting to look at...and listen to. She looks like a Goddess..is that racist?

Gurrumul sat there and played his guitar left handed and upside down...and sang like a bird. Delta sang very well............but, unlike that song bird, could not resist all the stupid artificial facial pulls which turn me off big time.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #73 - May 28^th, 2013 at 8:02pm Well, seriously, they were both great. A really nice performance
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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #74 - May 29^th, 2013 at 9:46am It was a top performance – agree with Aussie a bit about delta – over doing the facial/emotion side of it. Gurrumul was awesome, the better half introduced me to his music a while ago.
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