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Reply #120 - May 30^th, 2013 at 12:59pm

darkhall67 wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

darkhall67 wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

What's the point.

So far you've made a statement, but have provided no evidence to support your claim.

You need to provide something other that your own opinion in order to be taken seriously.

That's the point.

So, please explain why a white person calling a black person an ape is "more pejorative by far" or "racist".

I've posted why several times.

You've posted nonsense several times, yes.

Would you like to try harder?

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darkhall67 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1935	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #121 - May 30^th, 2013 at 1:04pm Head. Brick wall. Head. Brick wall. Head. Brick wall.
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Reply #122 - May 30^th, 2013 at 1:11pm

darkhall67 wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Head. Brick wall.

Head. Brick wall.

Head. Brick wall.

That would probably explain you inability to provide any evidence to support your claim.

So far we have your opinion, and the opinion of a sports columnist with The Age.

I'd suggest a little less head hitting and a bit more thought.

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darkhall67 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1935	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #123 - May 30^th, 2013 at 1:19pm Nah. This is just tiresome. If you　dont know why calling a black person an "ape" , "monkey" etc is different to calling a white person those things then no amount of explaining will convince you. Some people just dont get, dont want to get it and will never get it. I pity them and wont waste any more time on it.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146283 Gender:	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #124 - May 30^th, 2013 at 1:22pm darkhall67 wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 1:19pm: Nah. This is just tiresome. White flag accepted. It would have been easier though if you had just admitted from the beginning that the term 'ape' is not racist. No biggie. All sorted now.
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Reply #125 - May 30^th, 2013 at 1:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 1:22pm:

darkhall67 wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 1:19pm:

Nah.

This is just tiresome.

White flag accepted.

It would have been easier though if you had just admitted from the beginning that the term 'ape' is not racist.

No biggie. All sorted now.

Was going to end my last post with "now go ahead and accuse me of giving up and waving a white flag just because you cant be bothered expending a bit of grey matter".

Thanks for being so predictable.

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Reply #126 - May 30^th, 2013 at 1:41pm

darkhall67 wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 1:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 1:22pm:

darkhall67 wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 1:19pm:

Nah.

This is just tiresome.

White flag accepted.

It would have been easier though if you had just admitted from the beginning that the term 'ape' is not racist.

No biggie. All sorted now.

Was going to end my last post with "now go ahead and accuse me of giving up and waving a white flag just because you cant be bothered expending a bit of grey matter".

Thanks for being so predictable.

Thanks for (eventually) being honest enough to wave the white flag.

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Reply #127 - May 30^th, 2013 at 1:44pm

"And yet, inevitably, Goodes has also borne the brunt of a backlash, with two basic themes: firstly that he should not have made a big deal of it, and secondly – and this is the most amazing part – that to call an indigenous man an "ape" is not even racist in the first place.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/goodes-iconic-moment-will-help-change-australia-for-the-better-20130529-2nb0c.html#ixzz2UkBjy5qH
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http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/goodes-iconic-moment-will-help-change-austral...

Not not "amazing".

Mind blowing.

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Reply #128 - May 30^th, 2013 at 1:46pm

I'm afraid I'll have to concede my own ignorance in that I had no idea that Darwin held these ridiculous views which were held as "scientific reasoning" for racism.

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DARWINISM SAYS THAT BLACK PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ELIMINATED BY NATURAL SELECTION

At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes... will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.

http://www.naturalselectionanddarwinism.com/blackpeople.html

That's pretty sad to discover that he held these views. Sad

...and I'll be sure to never use the word "ape" with any reference to a black person.

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Reply #129 - May 30^th, 2013 at 2:28pm

Amadd wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:

I'm afraid I'll have to concede my own ignorance in that I had no idea that Darwin held these ridiculous views which were held as "scientific reasoning" for racism.

Neither did Goodes, and given how little even "educated" people know about natural selection and evolution, neither did 95+% of the country. Which leads me to dismiss it as a non sequitur.

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DARWINISM SAYS THAT BLACK PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ELIMINATED BY NATURAL SELECTION

At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes... will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.

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unfortunately, the title is for shock rather than ccuracy. All this describes is how more civilised populations gradually (or not so gradually) destroy or absorb less civilised populations. Look over history - You won't have seen any hunter gatherer bands displacing or conquering city dwellers, because the more complex societies are more powerful than less complex societies. It's not a moral judgement, it's a mere statement of fact.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #130 - May 30^th, 2013 at 3:07pm I suppose it depends upon how you read the article. If Darwin was as racist as this article portrays, it would (should) be widely known. Then again, I've no doubt that back in the day there were more than just a handful of people who considered black people only a couple of rungs up from apes.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #131 - May 30^th, 2013 at 3:35pm Darwin was a scientidt - one of the most important scientists to ever live. If people don't like his findings they can try to disprove them, but claiming offense, or burying the truth doesnt disprove anything. Now that we accept that all humans evolved from apes, why doonlonly blacks get butthurt about it?
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Reply #132 - May 30^th, 2013 at 3:47pm

Yeah, I must be having a softcock moment Roll Eyes

I looked into this Darwin racism accusation and it does seem to be unfounded.

The important one in this saga is the young girl who has been dragged over the coals by grown men who are now so wrapped up in their poor selves that she wouldn't be spared a thought.
In my book, that's a bloody disgrace.

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Reply #133 - May 30^th, 2013 at 4:47pm

... wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

Darwin was a scientidt - one of the most important scientists to ever live. If people don't like his findings they can try to disprove them, but claiming offense, or burying the truth doesnt disprove anything.

Now that we accept that all humans evolved from apes, why doonlonly blacks get butthurt about it?

Because when used against blacks it's only purpose is to say that they are less evolved than we whities , that they are less than human, that they are sub human.

And based on the history of blacks being treated EXACTLY that way throughout history why are you surprised that it's considered as racism?

Come on wesley. You are not an ignoramus. You must be able to see the enormous difference between calling a big white man an ape and calling a black man an ape based on this history AND based on the attitudes that black people have to face even today.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146283 Gender:	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #134 - May 30^th, 2013 at 4:50pm darkhall67 wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Because when used against blacks it's only purpose is to say that they are less evolved than we whities , that they are less than human, that they are sub human. Incorrect. I'll give you one more try.
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