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Re: Grow some balls Adam
Reply #105 - May 30^th, 2013 at 6:06am

Big Dave wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 6:50pm:

Grey wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 5:43pm:

Big Dave wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

When do 13 year olds know what they are saying? They are on step up from little kids. They just spurt things out. Absolutely disgraceful. Australia is turning into a fascist state. I hope it doesn't damage her and her future.

No Australia WAS a racist state, we're gradually rolling back from that, because being a racist state makes the state an International pariah, that everybody embargoes. Plus it creates unbelievable tensions within the state itself. Not one good thing ever came from racisim, it's not the default position as some here seem to think. A zero tolerance to racism is a very good thing, tough on kids who've been brought up loaded with that baggage, but there you go.

Why don't you form the racism police so you can bust down doors and shine the spotlight on every racist white Mr & Mrs Jones in Australia? You could interogate little girls for hours and try to charge them like they did the other night . Better still show some kahunas and tackle the racist Indians , Arabs, Blacks, yellows around the world that routinely slaughter one another for these very reasons.

Well do you want to be better than the racist Indians, Arabs, Blacks, Yellows or not?

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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #106 - May 30^th, 2013 at 9:01am AFL is getting its nickers in a twist about calling people names. NRL is getting its nickers in a twist about players beating the crap out of their wives. I think I'd rather the AFL's problems at the moment.
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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #107 - May 30^th, 2013 at 9:03am greggerypeccary wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:43pm: Says who? This from the person who doesnt know who Adam Goodes, Delta or Eddie McGuire are.
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Reply #108 - May 30^th, 2013 at 10:04am

Oh Eddie…..

Even though some think that calling indigenous people apes is ok, I really think some people need to grow a bit of thick dam skin and get TF over it. Wink

The AFL and McGuire have been tireless in their pursuit of the end of racism and the inclusion of all races and religions.

What I hate is a few idiots say something and the media and commentators carry on like every person at ever game was dressed in white sheets and burning crosses. Roll Eyes

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Alinta Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1470 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Grow some balls Adam Reply #109 - May 30^th, 2013 at 10:12am "The AFL and McGuire have been tireless in their pursuit of the end of racism and the inclusion of all races and religions." Yep, makes Ed's comment all the more bewildering to me even taking into account brain fade and fatigue.
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Re: Grow some balls Adam
Reply #110 - May 30^th, 2013 at 10:52am

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

Says who?

This from the person who doesnt know who Adam Goodes, Delta or Eddie McGuire are.

You off your meds bro?

When did I say I didn't know who Goodrem and McGuire are?

You're losing the plot old boy.

What a strange world, where knowing who Goodes, Goodrem, and McGuire are somehow gives one credibility.

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Re: Grow some balls Adam
Reply #111 - May 30^th, 2013 at 11:05am

darkhall67 wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

darkhall67 wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:31pm:

... wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:12pm:

darkhall67 wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 3:53pm:

... wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 2:06pm:

darkhall67 wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:

There are apes, and there are apes. From one white man to another, ''ape'' mostly is a moderate, if unimaginative insult. Between friends, it might also be a rough endearment.

From a white person to a black person, ''ape'' is more pejorative by far. It is freighted with centuries of treatment as a sub-species, of oppression and subjugation, and in this country, of a history that began with near genocide, withheld constitutional recognition until 1967 and that leaves indigenous Australians still among the most disadvantaged in the nation.

It is not the word itself that cuts to the quick, but the attitude it entrenches.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/goodes-critics-way-off-mark-20130527-2n7kr.html#ixzz2UYlI6dmy

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/goodes-critics-way-off-mark-20130527-2n7kr...

So is this racist or not?

http://maaadddog.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/9george-bush.jpg

Is bush black? Apart from his heart and reputation.

ah so it's one rule for blacks and one rule for honkies.

Sounds racist. Go join the KKK, adolf.

From a white person to a black person, ''ape'' is more pejorative by far. It is freighted with centuries of treatment as a sub-species, of oppression and subjugation

,

Says who?

Anyone with more than a miniscule knowledge of history.

Incorrect. I studied history at uni.

"From a white person to a black person, ''ape'' is more pejorative by far." Undecided

Please explain.

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Reply #112 - May 30^th, 2013 at 11:19am

bump

Alinta wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

This should help in explaining why "ape" is racial abuse.........and why Adam Goodes and the AFL community acted in the way they have. Some disagree with the course of action and I'm not expecting your change of opinion. It is simply to inform............as Adam did when he talked with the young girl who didn't know.

"Darwin and his contention that certain blacks had characteristics of apes.
The argument about what he meant goes back and forth over whether he was a racist or not, but there was a longstanding contention that some blacks, being in the same geographical area as apes, and having strikingly different features from whites, may have evolved from apes. Just the blacks. It was scientific theory that was furthered by the general ignorance and convenience to proponents of the theory of the lowly condition of blacks in America in Darwin's time.

Over the years it has been convenient for some to associate the imagery of the primitive ape with blacks in their put-downs and attacks. I've experienced this in the workplace and it got pretty heavy for a time. Ape images were left in my workspace, ape dolls. I was called 'king #$%$ in grade-school for over a year by my classmates (2 non-whites in the entire school).

But, those who've never been on the receiving end seem to have a hard time seeing the insult in the association. The implication to me is that I'm less than human than them. It's meant to divide and hurt."

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Re: Grow some balls Adam
Reply #113 - May 30^th, 2013 at 11:53am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:05am:

darkhall67 wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

darkhall67 wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:31pm:

... wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:12pm:

darkhall67 wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 3:53pm:

... wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 2:06pm:

darkhall67 wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:

There are apes, and there are apes. From one white man to another, ''ape'' mostly is a moderate, if unimaginative insult. Between friends, it might also be a rough endearment.

From a white person to a black person, ''ape'' is more pejorative by far. It is freighted with centuries of treatment as a sub-species, of oppression and subjugation, and in this country, of a history that began with near genocide, withheld constitutional recognition until 1967 and that leaves indigenous Australians still among the most disadvantaged in the nation.

It is not the word itself that cuts to the quick, but the attitude it entrenches.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/goodes-critics-way-off-mark-20130527-2n7kr.html#ixzz2UYlI6dmy

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/goodes-critics-way-off-mark-20130527-2n7kr...

So is this racist or not?

http://maaadddog.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/9george-bush.jpg

Is bush black? Apart from his heart and reputation.

ah so it's one rule for blacks and one rule for honkies.

Sounds racist. Go join the KKK, adolf.

From a white person to a black person, ''ape'' is more pejorative by far. It is freighted with centuries of treatment as a sub-species, of oppression and subjugation

,

Says who?

Anyone with more than a miniscule knowledge of history.

Incorrect. I studied history at uni.

"From a white person to a black person, ''ape'' is more pejorative by far." Undecided

Please explain.

What's the point.

You arent going to get it anyway.

Just like honky.

As some other footballer said today;

"there is a multitude of people out there that can't see the connection as to why someone like myself or an Adam Goodes or any other person could find that offensive - and thatâ€™s where the casual undercurrent of racism lies.""

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Re: Grow some balls Adam
Reply #114 - May 30^th, 2013 at 11:58am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 10:52am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

Says who?

This from the person who doesnt know who Adam Goodes, Delta or Eddie McGuire are.

You off your meds bro?

When did I say I didn't know who Goodrem and McGuire are?

I just assumed your ignorance was universal.
Ironic that you claim to know 2 out of the 3 and those 2 are the white ones.

Makes your claim that you never heard of Adam Goodes to be:
1) bullsh1t
2) racist.

I'll assume 1.

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Reply #115 - May 30^th, 2013 at 12:24pm

Alinta wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

bump

Alinta wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

This should help in explaining why "ape" is racial abuse.........and why Adam Goodes and the AFL community acted in the way they have. Some disagree with the course of action and I'm not expecting your change of opinion. It is simply to inform............as Adam did when he talked with the young girl who didn't know.

"Darwin and his contention that certain blacks had characteristics of apes.
The argument about what he meant goes back and forth over whether he was a racist or not, but there was a longstanding contention that some blacks, being in the same geographical area as apes, and having strikingly different features from whites, may have evolved from apes. Just the blacks. It was scientific theory that was furthered by the general ignorance and convenience to proponents of the theory of the lowly condition of blacks in America in Darwin's time.

Over the years it has been convenient for some to associate the imagery of the primitive ape with blacks in their put-downs and attacks. I've experienced this in the workplace and it got pretty heavy for a time. Ape images were left in my workspace, ape dolls. I was called 'king #$%$ in grade-school for over a year by my classmates (2 non-whites in the entire school).

But, those who've never been on the receiving end seem to have a hard time seeing the insult in the association. The implication to me is that I'm less than human than them. It's meant to divide and hurt."

I must admit that I didn't realise that Darwin held such strong views about the connection of black people and apes.

It also sounds absurd that as recently as 1967, aboriginals were regarded as "flora and fauna" in our constitution.

Although I laugh at the ignorance of our not too distant relatives, I can understand that there would be plenty of hurt remaining as a result of their behaviour.

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Re: Grow some balls Adam
Reply #116 - May 30^th, 2013 at 12:24pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:58am:

I just assumed your ignorance was universal.

Wrong, once again.

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:58am:

.
Ironic that you claim to know 2 out of the 3 and those 2 are the white ones.

No, it's not "ironic".

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:58am:

Makes your claim that you never heard of Adam Goodes to be:
1) bullsh1t

Wrong, once again. I'd never heard of this "man" before he played the race card on a 13 year girl.

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:58am:

Makes your claim that you never heard of Adam Goodes to be:

2) racist.

Wrong, once again. How on earth can it be racist?

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:58am:

I'll assume 1.

Wrong, once again.

You're not very good at this, are you?

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Reply #117 - May 30^th, 2013 at 12:29pm

darkhall67 wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:05am:

darkhall67 wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

darkhall67 wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:31pm:

... wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 4:12pm:

darkhall67 wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 3:53pm:

... wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 2:06pm:

darkhall67 wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:

There are apes, and there are apes. From one white man to another, ''ape'' mostly is a moderate, if unimaginative insult. Between friends, it might also be a rough endearment.

From a white person to a black person, ''ape'' is more pejorative by far. It is freighted with centuries of treatment as a sub-species, of oppression and subjugation, and in this country, of a history that began with near genocide, withheld constitutional recognition until 1967 and that leaves indigenous Australians still among the most disadvantaged in the nation.

It is not the word itself that cuts to the quick, but the attitude it entrenches.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/goodes-critics-way-off-mark-20130527-2n7kr.html#ixzz2UYlI6dmy

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/goodes-critics-way-off-mark-20130527-2n7kr...

So is this racist or not?

http://maaadddog.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/9george-bush.jpg

Is bush black? Apart from his heart and reputation.

ah so it's one rule for blacks and one rule for honkies.

Sounds racist. Go join the KKK, adolf.

From a white person to a black person, ''ape'' is more pejorative by far. It is freighted with centuries of treatment as a sub-species, of oppression and subjugation

,

Says who?

Anyone with more than a miniscule knowledge of history.

Incorrect. I studied history at uni.

"From a white person to a black person, ''ape'' is more pejorative by far." Undecided

Please explain.

What's the point.

You arent going to get it anyway.

Just like honky.

As some other footballer said today;

"there is a multitude of people out there that can't see the connection as to why someone like myself or an Adam Goodes or any other person could find that offensive - and thatâ€™s where the casual undercurrent of racism lies.""

Oh I understand it would be offensive. Insults generally are, that's the point.
But its not racist.

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Re: Grow some balls Adam
Reply #118 - May 30^th, 2013 at 12:31pm

darkhall67 wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

What's the point.

So far you've made a statement, but have provided no evidence to support your claim.

You need to provide something other that your own opinion in order to be taken seriously.

That's the point.

So, please explain why a white person calling a black person an ape is "more pejorative by far" or "racist".

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Reply #119 - May 30^th, 2013 at 12:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

darkhall67 wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

What's the point.

So far you've made a statement, but have provided no evidence to support your claim.

You need to provide something other that your own opinion in order to be taken seriously.

That's the point.

So, please explain why a white person calling a black person an ape is "more pejorative by far" or "racist".

I've posted why several times.

You have either failed to read it or read it and ignored it without understanding.

Not my fault.

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Head . Brick wall.
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