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May 21st, 2013 at 4:56pm
 
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Amadd wrote Yesterday at 11:06pm:

I don't remember saying that I want to drive around recklessly endangering lives.


So what's your problem with cameras catching the hoons?

Okay ~ so you are NOT a hoon who endangers lives by driving fast and recklessly.

So .. I'll be intrigued to hear the reason why you want traffic cameras removed so that those who ARE cowboys on the road can get away with their risky behaviour that endangers both pedestrians and fellow-drivers alike.

Amadd wrote Yesterday at 11:06pm:

My point in regards to speed cameras is that they're pretty much pointless for any other reason than to raise easy revenue ...


Dear o dear ... Am I on Candid Camera? Am I being secretly filmed for a reality show?

Question: Are those who get fined for speeding ~ (the Number One cause of deaths on the road) ~ more likely or not to in future keep within the speed limit?

Answer ....  Roll Eyes

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I must admit, I enjoy travelling at 250+km/h, but that's in the air where there aren't any speed cameras around.
As for the roads, I generally travel with the flow of traffic. Quite often I'll speed up or slow down for traffic flow and/or safety reasons.

Saying that speed is the number one killer isn't as correct as they tout it to be. Most accidents occur at or below the speed limit and are mainly due to distraction or a lack of concentration.

So, there's a point against fixed speed cameras already - They are quite a big distraction. You often get people slowing to stupid speeds around them, and it's not a good idea to be watching your speedo and overhead gantries when you should be concentrating on the road.

But let's say I wanted to speed.
It's simple if you know the location of fixed speed cameras. Police presence will probably be cut down around them, so you're more likely to get away with it than if they weren't there at all.
Also, speed cameras don't lessen the desire for (mainly 18-30yr old male) people to speed. I get bozos tearing around my streets at all hours. Some of them even get into the park across the road and do donuts all over the joint.
But do the cops care about complaints? No, their resources are too stretched to be patrolling neighbourhood areas.

Still, the media ads press the point of how much these cameras are supposedly doing to make our roads safer. Other factors such as better roads and more advanced safety features on cars don't even rate a mention.

People are becoming so dependent on this nanny state mentality that they believe any garbage that gets shoved down their throats at the expense of their own judgement.
Just because a speed limit sign says 80km/h, it doesn't mean that it's safe to do that speed in all vehicles and in all conditions, however, the majority of clowns these days would do that speed driving a tractor in a snowstorm, after 4 beers and 14hr work shift, such is their reliance on what nanny states.







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Re: Speed cameras
Reply #1 - May 21st, 2013 at 5:03pm
 
I don't believe speed on it's own kills. Thats just bollocks that they use to justify the revenue raising speed cameras. It accept that it is usually a combination of things that lead to crashes, of which speeed can be one factor. But speed on it's own does not kill. I think the bigger concerns are influence of drugs or alcohol, fatigue, lack of concentration or sheer stupidity that are the bigger culprits. But with most of those things they can't make money on them, so they settle for speed.

Amadd, I do agree with you about the cameras, I've often had to jump on the brake because some shmuck in front of me has jumped on theirs. Some people seem to jump on the brakes just because they see a camera, even if they aren't speeding. Very dangerous.
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Reply #2 - May 21st, 2013 at 8:20pm
 
Yes, a lack of common sense is the biggest danger on the roads.

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/speed-not-the-big-killer-20121221-2bqb...
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Reply #3 - May 21st, 2013 at 9:38pm
 
I got a very nice letter from the Victoria Police (to my US address) telling me that on St Kilda Rd I had been doing an 'alleged speed' of 64 km/hr on a 60 km/hr road.

Avis having shopped me in to the cops obviously.

Seriously - someone can tell me that's a 'road safety' thing and not revenue raising???

Utter bollocks.
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Reply #4 - May 21st, 2013 at 9:38pm
 
I think if you are going just a few Km over the limit there is probably no intent and you should not be penalised.
If you are doing 15km over the limit there is intent and you should take your medicine.

Driving is a nightmare for me, I want to drive right on the speed limit (conditions permitting) because that is a courtesy to other road users, not to hold them up.
I also don't want to speed.
My problem is when I am driving I often miss the myriad of speed limit changes. ( I tend to watch the road and other hazards)
My GPS is not 100% accurate and showing the speed limit

What I would like is colour coded line markers or paint dots to identify what the speed limit is.
I would never get caught for speeding if they did that.
(maybe thats why they dont do it)
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Reply #5 - May 22nd, 2013 at 5:18am
 
Some ppl always go 5km over the speed limit. Always. I have known several of these ppl. They have some kind of problem in their brain and think its okay if its just 5km over. All the time.

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Reply #6 - May 22nd, 2013 at 8:23am
 
I never much like speed cameras, but after my wife received a $100 fine for going 52km/h at 3:58pm, I absoluetley hate them.  (the limit in school zones is 40km/h from 2:30 - 4pm, even though kids are around for only ~15 minutes)

Nothing to do with safety, everything to do with $$$.
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Reply #7 - May 22nd, 2013 at 8:50am
 
... wrote on May 22nd, 2013 at 8:23am:
I never much like speed cameras, but after my wife received a $100 fine for going 52km/h at 3:58pm, I absoluetley hate them.  (the limit in school zones is 40km/h from 2:30 - 4pm, even though kids are around for only ~15 minutes)

Nothing to do with safety, everything to do with $$$.


I know someone who was busted in a school zone even though kids were on holiday ... kids started the next day but officially, it was the week school started so the restricted limits applied, even thought there were no kids present  .... before I had kids I had no idea when school holidays started or stopped ... pure revenue raising, thats all they are.
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Reply #8 - May 22nd, 2013 at 9:02am
 
Of course 'speed on it's own' doesn't kill,  I would imagine even the dumbest person would know that the vehicle needs a driver who whilst in control of the vehicle is driving in excess of the speed limit.......ergo Speed does kill if the driver is an idiot. I think that the authorities would assume that the vehicle isn't driving itself.  I have no time for revenue raising, but equally I have no time for numpties who speed and put other people's lives at risk.
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Reply #9 - May 22nd, 2013 at 9:11am
 
Socrates wrote on May 22nd, 2013 at 9:02am:
Of course 'speed on it's own' doesn't kill,  I would imagine even the dumbest person would know that the vehicle needs a driver who whilst in control of the vehicle is driving in excess of the speed limit.......ergo Speed does kill if the driver is an idiot. I think that the authorities would assume that the vehicle isn't driving itself.  I have no time for revenue raising, but equally I have no time for numpties who speed and put other people's lives at risk.


what a dam stupid comment.
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Reply #10 - May 22nd, 2013 at 9:15am
 
John Smith wrote on May 22nd, 2013 at 9:11am:
Socrates wrote on May 22nd, 2013 at 9:02am:
Of course 'speed on it's own' doesn't kill,  I would imagine even the dumbest person would know that the vehicle needs a driver who whilst in control of the vehicle is driving in excess of the speed limit.......ergo Speed does kill if the driver is an idiot. I think that the authorities would assume that the vehicle isn't driving itself.  I have no time for revenue raising, but equally I have no time for numpties who speed and put other people's lives at risk.


what a dam stupid comment.


Yes you seem to post a lot of them.....monkey Spanker.
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Reply #11 - May 22nd, 2013 at 9:39am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 21st, 2013 at 9:38pm:
I got a very nice letter from the Victoria Police (to my US address) telling me that on St Kilda Rd I had been doing an 'alleged speed' of 64 km/hr on a 60 km/hr road.

Avis having shopped me in to the cops obviously.

Seriously - someone can tell me that's a 'road safety' thing and not revenue raising???

Utter bollocks.



What do you have against revenue raising?


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Reply #12 - May 22nd, 2013 at 9:44am
 
... wrote on May 22nd, 2013 at 8:23am:
I never much like speed cameras, but after my wife received a $100 fine for going 52km/h at 3:58pm, I absoluetley hate them.  (the limit in school zones is 40km/h from 2:30 - 4pm, even though kids are around for only ~15 minutes)

Nothing to do with safety, everything to do with $$$.



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School zones are clearly marked.

Most cars have a clock.

If you don't go over the speed limit, you don't have to pay out any $$$

If you do go over the limit, your money is spent on various road safety programs.

I can't see a problem.
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Reply #13 - May 22nd, 2013 at 10:12am
 
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If you do go over the limit, your money is spent on various road safety programs.


By that do you mean it goes towards the creation of more speed cameras?

I heard somewhere that up to one third of profits goes towards road trauma facilities, but if that's government jargon, the figures are obviously dodgy.

"Governments and road safety experts in Australia have no statistics on how many crashes or fatalities are caused by people exceeding the speed limit. Yet those authorities circulate figures of fatalities where "speed was a factor" (the claims are typically between 30 and 40 per cent). Most people I've spoken to define speeding as exceeding the speed limit, but that is not the definition authorities use. "

I'd say that in 100% of cases, speed is a factor. If cars were stationary, road safety would be increased.
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Reply #14 - May 22nd, 2013 at 10:27am
 
Amadd wrote on May 22nd, 2013 at 10:12am:
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If you do go over the limit, your money is spent on various road safety programs.


By that do you mean it goes towards the creation of more speed cameras?

I heard somewhere that up to one third of profits goes towards road trauma facilities, but if that's government jargon, the figures are obviously dodgy.




That's what they say:

"A third of the money collected from speed and redlight camera infringements goes into the Road Trauma Trust Fund and is spent on various road safety programs."

http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Traffic/CamerasCutCrashes/Camerasworkwhy/Cameramyths...

To be honest, I don't really care where the money goes: none of it is mine.

I've found a sneaky little way of getting out of paying speeding fines: I don't speed.

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