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Reply #45 - May 19^th, 2013 at 9:25pm

I am very sorry that this has to be pointed out but here are the facts:
People have been murdered by Mohammed and by orders of Mohammed. Mohammed was a warlord.
Jesus never killed anyone nor did he order the murder of anyone.
The Buddha never murdered anyone nor ordered the killing of anyone.

Christians and Buddhists have impossibly high standards to live up to. It I hard to be a true Christian or a true Buddhist.

Muslims have incredibly low standards to live down to. It is amazingly easy to be a good Muslims, no matter how many heinous things you do. Allah is the only god and Mohammed is his messenger. Say that and everything else committed in the furtherance of this little ditti will be regarded as jihad and martyrdom. You can do pretty much anything as long as Allah and Mohammed etc...

This is why you can be a Muslims and rip out the heart of a Syrian government soldier and eat it on youtube and STILL be regarded as a good Muslim.

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Reply #46 - May 19^th, 2013 at 9:33pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

There was a point to avoid?

Yes, there was.

You criticise Christianity or atheism or seculraism and nobody is going to riot or firebomb your mosque or call you a racist or otherwise threaten and intimidate you or call you a racist. They will mostly ignore you ar at most offer an explanation.

Call a Muslim a moron on account of his adherence to Islam and you will be called a racist, intolerant, supremacists, bigoted, evil, etc, etc and will have a fvckn riot on your hands, complete with beheading placards.

Don't tell me you do not see the glaring difference.i

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Reply #47 - May 19^th, 2013 at 9:56pm

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 9:33pm:

You criticise Christianity or atheism or seculraism and nobody is going to riot or firebomb your mosque or call you a racist or otherwise threaten and intimidate you or call you a racist. They will mostly ignore you ar at most offer an explanation.

Interesting you leave out jews. I think we both know that if you included jews in this sentence, it would be an out and out lie. Apart from that, atheism and secularism are not religions, so can't be compared. They are basically set up to be trolls against organised religion, so criticism of these ideologies are fair enough. As far as christianity goes, I think you would find yourself in more trouble than you might think.

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 9:33pm:

Call a Muslim a moron on account of his adherence to Islam and you will be called a racist, intolerant, supremacists, bigoted, evil, etc, etc and will have a fvckn riot on your hands, complete with beheading placards.

Complete rubbish. Miranda Devine and Alan Jones are still doing pretty well in the same job last time I looked. Several studies have been conducted on the every-day discrimination and harassment faced by muslims in Australia - usually targeted at hijab-wearing women. This is stuff happening every day Soren, barely raises an eyebrow - let alone a riot.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: would you follow a murderer ? Reply #48 - May 19^th, 2013 at 10:03pm polite_gandalf wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 9:56pm: Apart from that, atheism and secularism are not religions, so can't be compared. How fvckn convenient is THAT!?! Riot away, pal, Islam has nuffin to do wiv nuffing! You are rioting because you are religious. Too easy!
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Reply #49 - May 19^th, 2013 at 10:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 9:56pm:

Complete rubbish. Miranda Devine and Alan Jones are still doing pretty well in the same job last time I looked.

Weren't they sued by Muslims for hurt feelings (funny how Muslims who murder in the defence of Mohammed have hurt feelings).

"I keeeel you because I am sensitive"

In Australia, you can be found guilty for laughing at direct quotes from the Koran in a Christian church.
That's how tolerant Muslims are.

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Reply #50 - May 19^th, 2013 at 10:20pm

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 9:56pm:

Complete rubbish. Miranda Devine and Alan Jones are still doing pretty well in the same job last time I looked.

Weren't they sued by Muslims for hurt feelings (funny how Muslims who murder in the defence of Mohammed have hurt feelings).

"I keeeel you because I am sensitive"

In Australia, you can be found guilty for laughing at direct quotes from the Koran in a Christian church.
That's how tolerant Muslims are.

1.42 million dead Iraqis since the illegal war was instigated by the criminal coalition of the willing (USA).

Your tears for people suffering and being slaughtered indiscriminately is touching

I don't think that I can contain myself seeing you suffer so much in public.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: would you follow a murderer ? Reply #51 - May 19^th, 2013 at 10:25pm whats really funny is that after actually causing a riot against muslims, the worst blowback Alan Jones had to endure was to issue a lame arse apology on air. Muslims must have missed the memo to riot and behead Jones there
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Reply #52 - May 19^th, 2013 at 10:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 9:56pm:

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 9:33pm:

You criticise Christianity or atheism or seculraism and nobody is going to riot or firebomb your mosque or call you a racist or otherwise threaten and intimidate you or call you a racist. They will mostly ignore you ar at most offer an explanation.

Interesting you leave out jews.

Jews - don't leave home without them.

You Muslims couldn't take a mental step, no matter how small, without referencing the Jews.

Mohammed shopped his new idea to the jews and they laffed at him for being a semiliterate silly ass, misunderstanding everything that he had heard in his travels as a salesman.
And now we have the Muslims referencing everything back to the jews.

At least the Christians have moved on from the jews as scapegoats. But the Muslims cling to them as an explanation and a scapegoat for everything that is stupid and repulsive about Islam.

look at the 1400 year history of Islam - what part of it do Muslims take responsibility for? The brief Western style freedom and enlightenment that prevailed in the 11-12 hundreds.
The rest of Islamic history is a history of blame. Out of 1400 years, there was 200 hundred that Muslims bang on about. The other 1200 year of dark misery - every one else's faulty.

This sounds ominously like the Nazis. And look at hamas and hezbollah - nazis.

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Reply #53 - May 19^th, 2013 at 10:37pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 9:56pm:

Complete rubbish. Miranda Devine and Alan Jones are still doing pretty well in the same job last time I looked.

Weren't they sued by Muslims for hurt feelings (funny how Muslims who murder in the defence of Mohammed have hurt feelings).

"I keeeel you because I am sensitive"

In Australia, you can be found guilty for laughing at direct quotes from the Koran in a Christian church.
That's how tolerant Muslims are.

1.42 million dead Iraqis since the illegal war was instigated by the criminal coalition of the willing (USA).

It was actually 1,427,787 million - and counting.
Have another look.

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Reply #55 - May 19^th, 2013 at 10:44pm

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:37pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 9:56pm:

Complete rubbish. Miranda Devine and Alan Jones are still doing pretty well in the same job last time I looked.

Weren't they sued by Muslims for hurt feelings (funny how Muslims who murder in the defence of Mohammed have hurt feelings).

"I keeeel you because I am sensitive"

In Australia, you can be found guilty for laughing at direct quotes from the Koran in a Christian church.
That's how tolerant Muslims are.

1.42 million dead Iraqis since the illegal war was instigated by the criminal coalition of the willing (USA).

It was actually 1,427,787 million - and counting.
Have another look.

How much Oil was corporatized under the US fascist umbrella?

Have you determined what volume of Iraqi blood was spilt compared to the number of barrels of oil thieved in Western Iraq ??

You may need to have another look

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Reply #56 - May 19^th, 2013 at 10:48pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 9:56pm:

Several studies have been conducted on the every-day discrimination and harassment faced by muslims in Australia - usually targeted at hijab-wearing women. This is stuff happening every day Soren, barely raises an eyebrow - let alone a riot.

Several studies - love that. Name one.

Anyway, nobody is going to hassle an 80 year old refugee biddy.

But a 20-40 year old Australian woman wearing a face mask should be exposed to the full force of the Australian larrikin spirit and should be laughed at and mocked mercilessly. What smacking pretension, to wear a middle eastern face mask in Australia!

How stupid and poncy and deserving of every contempt and ridicule.

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Reply #57 - May 19^th, 2013 at 10:52pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:44pm:

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:37pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 9:56pm:

Complete rubbish. Miranda Devine and Alan Jones are still doing pretty well in the same job last time I looked.

Weren't they sued by Muslims for hurt feelings (funny how Muslims who murder in the defence of Mohammed have hurt feelings).

"I keeeel you because I am sensitive"

In Australia, you can be found guilty for laughing at direct quotes from the Koran in a Christian church.
That's how tolerant Muslims are.

1.42 million dead Iraqis since the illegal war was instigated by the criminal coalition of the willing (USA).

It was actually 1,427,787 million - and counting.
Have another look.

How much Oil was corporatized under the US fascist umbrella?

Have you determined what volume of Iraqi blood was spilt compared to the number of barrels of oil thieved in Western Iraq ??

You may need to have another look

I know you are one of those blood for oil imbeciles.

Tell me this - why not just buy the fvckn oil on the free market and save loads of money on invasion costs?
Do you really, really think that the US invaded Iraq because they couldn't otherwise buy the oil they needed?

You can't be so short-sighted, surely?

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Reply #58 - May 19^th, 2013 at 11:48pm

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:48pm:

Several studies - love that. Name one.

Scott Poynting & Victoria Mason:
“Tolerance, Freedom, Justice and Peace”?: Britain, Australia and Anti-Muslim Racism since 11 September 2001
Journal of Intercultural Studies, Volume 27, Issue 4, 2006

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As in Britain, Australia also experienced an upsurge of racially based attacks on Muslims and those of “Middle Eastern appearance” following 9/11. Numerous Muslim women wearing their hijab in public places, were assaulted, abused and had strangers of both genders trying to tear their veil away. There was an increase in the occurrence of people in Muslim dress or of “Middle Eastern appearance” being spat upon or more violently assaulted in streets, shops and on public transport, of incidents of arson, vandalism, threats, harassment and other racist attacks undertaken by “white-thinking” people and directed against these newly discovered enemies within.

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By the end of September 2001, a bilingual (English and Arabic) Anti-Racism Hotline in New South Wales had logged well over 300 calls (Brown 2); by the time it had finished operation on 9 November, there were about 400 responses recorded. It needs to be recognised that this tally of incidents measures only the “tip of the iceberg”: those with knowledge of the Hotline and with the greatest motivation and means to complain. Supporting this claim, a survey of 186 Arab and Muslim Australians in Sydney and Melbourne conducted in 2003 for the Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Commission (Poynting and Noble) recorded that 87 per cent of the Muslim respondents had experienced racism, abuse or racist violence since 9/11, with three-quarters stating that they had experienced a greater amount of racism since that date: 39 per cent experienced “a bit more” and 37 per cent “a lot more”.

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As recently as May 2005, a school bus belonging to an Islamic College in Perth was completely destroyed in an arson attack (AAP “Perth Islamic school bus set ablaze”; “School bus gutted by fire”). It bears repeating that such outbreaks of racial hatred and vilification have been an intensification of an already existent, pre-September 11, climate of anti-Arab and anti-Muslim attacks in Australia.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #59 - May 20^th, 2013 at 12:31am

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:38pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:25pm:

whats really funny is that after actually causing a riot against muslims, the worst blowback Alan Jones had to endure was to issue a lame arse apology on air. Muslims must have missed the memo to riot and behead Jones there Tongue

Jones caused a riot? Who knew?

Obviously missed the events in the lead up to the Cronulla Riots.

I suppose you applauded the Israeli who got beaten up because he was of "Middle-Eastern Appearance" (code for "Muslim" amongst the rioters.) Roll Eyes

I wonder, did you appreciate the rioters' unAustralian act of stoning Ambulances which attempted to evacuate their victims? Roll Eyes

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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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