moses wrote on May 8^th, 2013 at 7:48pm:



Moses, I am afraid to tackle nothing.  Islam has problems, I'm only too willing to agree but that does not give you the right to persecute it's followers in the manner you continually do.   You're no better than the Nazis in that respect.

Your version of Islam is not the Islam of the majority of Muslims, you've created a caricature, Moses.   

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2013 at 8:13pm:


There is no correct manner, FD.   

Tell me, am I correct in assuming one of your contentions about Muslims is that they persecute non-believers?

Is that wrong?

How is what you're doing any better?   

Criticise Islam, leave Muslims alone.   When criticising Islam, have something more authoritative to back your view than a couple of internet posters.   If you claim it is what the mainstream believe, prove it, don't just claim it.   

Respect the views of Muslims when they tell you that you have the wrong end of the stick.

That you're undertaking some critical self-examination of your viewpoint is a good step.  That is if you're serious?

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2013 at 8:22pm:



Yet you're doing exactly the same thing FD.  Does that make you better than the ignorant Muslims who do these things?

FD, like many who oppose something as strongly as you do, you have become a mirror-image of it.   Your attitudes would fit in quite well with the more extreme Islamists.   Same with Moses.  His hatred of Muslims is visceral. 

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2013 at 8:34pm:


Persecuting and abusing Muslims?

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2013 at 9:46pm:


Persecution comes in many forms, FD.   Mental persecution is one form, as is physical.

You are persecuting them online.  For you, all Muslims are guilty through association with the few Muslims who threaten or even do these things. 

It appears your brief attempt at self-reflection has passed. 

For the record, I don't feel persecuted by FDs prejudice against me.
Though I must say the level of bigotry (and I'm not really including FD in this category) against islam on this forum is rather confronting. However my experience in the real world is that this is not representative. For some reason this forum particularly seems to be a magnet for such types.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 8^th, 2013 at 10:35pm:


Not just this forum, Gandalf.   Many forums.   However, I agree their views are not IMHO representative of that of the majority of people.

I suspect the bigots wouldn't say "Booh!" about these issues in normal conversation but harbour deep down insecurities and Xenophobia and only let them out online anonymously.

They aren't prepared to put their name on their opinions.  I am.   However, I'm old school.  I was debating online before there was an internet.