Brian Ross wrote on May 6^th, 2013 at 9:38pm:


You are exaggerating a commonplace observation. Islam - anything - is its interpretation. No law, custom, religion, etc exist without being interpreted. They are all their interpretations. Yawn. No great insight there.

WHat matters is the prevailing interpretation. Here's an example: Youtube clip laffing at Mohammed - rampaging muslims across the globe. Dominant interpretaion of Islam? Probably. Why?
There was no muslim demonstration of great crowds protesting against the rampaging, beheading-demanding muslims ruining the 'true' meaning and noble reputation of Islam. Some mutterings by spokesthingies but no great outpouring of feeling by Muslims again other Muslims damaging Islam by misinterpreting it. Shtum. Fear of catching the Islamists' eyes who threaten other Muslims with all sorts of unpleasantness. If the crazies are such a 'tiny minority' how can they intimidate all that 'vast majority of law abiding, decent' Muslims? Why do the decent muslims allow the crazies to set the tone?
Because they are afraid of them. They, the 'decent' Muslims interpret the rampaging and the beheading-demanding as something that is not just some negligible interpretation in the happy rainbow colours that is Islamic diversity. The crazies are setting the agenda, not the 'decent' Muslim. And their letting the crazies set the agenda for all Islam makes them 'decent' only in inverted commas.






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Because in Islam the state belongs to Islam. In Christianity, it doesn't. Neither Catholics nor Protestants nor the Greek/Eastern Orthodox want to establish a Christian theocracy.
Not so with Islam. Sharia-ruled, Islam-governed society is the aim.

And this is in no way disputing the honourableness and honesty of you Muslim army mate. You have first hand experience of that and I wouldn't ream of second-guessing that. Nevertheless, you must allow that your mate may not be representative (perhaps not yet) of Islam and Muslims.

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So asking Muslims about Islam is ridiculous and irrational? Would you prefer I tried Yadda's approach of googling it? Are you trying to exclude every possible way of finding out about Islam except for reading press releases from approved western representative bodies?

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It's called Blasphemy, and yes it is part of Shariah law. Why do you think Sunnis and Shites are still blowing up each others' mosques on a regular basis? Muslims are supposed to impose the correct version from above through centralised government, and did so for most of Islam's history, starting with Muhammed.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 7^th, 2013 at 10:24am:


Tsk, tsk, merely seeking fairness makes me a "useful idiot", Herbie?

Balance, Herbie, balance, a concept which is sadly lacking in your posts.   

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:


I see a complete lack of posts from you criticising them.  The proof is in the pudding, FD.   

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The fact that you don't criticise others and that you incessantly and continuously criticise Muslims indicates that you are a bigot.  Not only do we detect a complete lack of balance in your posts, we see it in your "wiki".  You are damned by your own works, FD.   

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You're right, it doesn't but we never see you qualify the quantity it is merely the complete following of Islam - "Muslims".  Never "some Muslims" or "a few Muslims".  Everything about Muslims for you is mentioned in absolute terms.  Therefore as you use the definitive article, I think it is rather safe to say that you attack ALL Muslims, FD.   

Your language is the language of bigotry - religious hatred.

Tell me, in your opinion, are there any good Muslims?  One wouldn't know it from the way you continually attack them and their religion...

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What I believe is that people should be treated fairly and without prejudice.

If I was to substitute the word "black person" for "Muslim" in your posts, your hatred would be rather self-evident, don't you think?   I suppose we could substitute "Jew" and call it anti-Semitism?  The end result would be the same.

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And Abu speaks for ALL Muslims?

Oh, that's right, his authority comes from you, not his fellow Muslims...   

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Oh, so, you need to attack people personally then?  Yet you don't.  You attack all Muslims whenever you don't qualify the term.  Why not attack "those Muslims which promote raping and pillaging" instead?

Funny thing is, I'm yet to read someone in this forum who is both Muslims and promoting "raping and pillaging".  Perhaps you could point out a recent post where that has occurred?

Or are you merely jousting against your stereotypes to justify your bigotry?   

Oh, dear, I appear to have run out of characters because of the ridiculous limits that are placed on posts here.   

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2013 at 10:35pm:


Nope, it isn't.  Being completely unwilling and it appears incapable of accepting their answers is though.   Makes me wonder why you bother asking 'cause I've yet to see you accept any of Gandalf's (and he appears to be only genuine Muslim here at the moment, as far as I can tell) answers.

You also appear completely unwilling to accept other alternative answers when offered by non-Muslims, as far as I can tell.

You seem to have an extremely blinkered views on the matter.   I wonder, Freediver, which Madrassi did you study at?  'cause your attitudes towards Islam appear to have the same mindset as the Islamist Takfiris.   You believe you KNOW the answers about Islam even before you ask the questions.   

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Yadda's approach is flawed because he can't quite seem to work out to:

1) Post without using crayons
2) Actually understand what he's reading from Google.

For the first, I'd recommend limiting his privileges to plain text.

For the second, I believe a good course in comparative religion might help.

Actually the second one might help you too FD.   

Baronvonrort wrote on May 8^th, 2013 at 12:04am:


You appear to have never read the Koranic Verse (ayah) 256 of Al-Baqara.

Once you have, you will see where your mistake is...   

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It's all about interpretation and according to my copy of the Q'ran it says,

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I wouldn't say those nations are doing "it" wrong.  Rather they have a different interpretation.  Is it the right one?  I'm sure they believe it is.  I'm not an Islamic Scholar though, merely an interested observer.  It's their country, they get to make the laws.

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All Holy books contradict themselves.  It is often said you can find what ever you want in [insert Holy book of your choice] if you look hard enough.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 8^th, 2013 at 8:01am:


*YAWN*.  No, Herbie, my mission has been to prevent people such as yourself from having free reign to post their ignorant racism or bigotry without challenge.

Let's face it, what you really hate is that I continually demolish your unfounded claims and show them to be based ignorant prejudice.   

I don't care what the colour of your victim's skin, what their religion is, what "heritage" they come from.   You do.  If it isn't all those things, for you, it is automatically bad.

Judge people on their individual actions, Herbie, not through guilt by association.

I know it's a hard concept for you to grasp.