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Reply #330 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 8:04pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 9:47am:
polite_gandalf wrote on May 24th, 2013 at 12:38pm:
thats disgusting


Crude indeed.   I wouldn't waste the time nor energy on Soren.   Roll Eyes

That was said by Karnal, you thick bastard.

Can I say that?

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Reply #331 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 8:10pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 7:37pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 9:40pm:
I never bought into the Islamic boogeyman thing. There's no point in having an opinion on it.


Islam is a political ideology as well as a religion, it governs in parts of the world with Islamic law,Take the supreme leader the Ayatollah Khamenei from the Islamic republic of Iran as one example.

Ultra right wing fascist ideologies dont tolerate critics and Iran for 1 has a long track record of executing critics, i am sure they like useful idiots like you sticking up for their fascist ideology.

Does your Islam boogeyman include Islamic rule or political Islam?

www.amnesty.org/en/region/iran







Who cares what Iranians do you smacking dummy. We are in Australia, let's worry about that. In the Middle East, they aren't doing much different now to what they have always done.

The mistake the West made was indentifying and engaging terrorists as agents of a religious entity when they were a fringe element in most Islamic societies. Now all we've done is fed and empowered them as a pan-Islamic movement, giving them a lot of credibility considering how the West has acted. Other than that they are irrelevant and should be ignored.

The subject comes up here far too often for it to be anything other than targeted hate propaganda, which is exactly what it is from most of the posters here. Dumb, armchair intellectual wannabes talking about things they have no smacking clue about. You don't realise how stupid you look to educated people.
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Reply #332 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 8:21pm
 
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 7:20pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 6:32pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 9:40pm:
I never bought into the Islamic boogeyman thing. There's no point in having an opinion on it. You are all going to do what you are told in the end anyway, no matter how absurd. The fact it is talked about so much on these boards just goes to show how much of a success the whole scam was.


Which bogeyman do you reject?

The terrorist attacks like 9/11?

Muslims marching through Sydney with beheading placards?

Muslims fighting two decade long wars in the middle to prevent the establishment of democracy?

All the Muslims who have come on here and explained all the good reasons why the reject freedom, human rights and democracy?

Millions of people around the world living under the yolk of Islam without basic freedom and human dignity?


Muslims are largely irrelevant to most of our lives in Australia. Stay out of their countries and stay away from their private gatherings if you don't like their culture. I have experienced orders of magnitude more fearmongering and anti-Islamic propaganda from the TV than I have had negative experiences in real life. I have rarely had a problem with minorities, as long as I've treated them politely and with the same respect I would treat any other human being.


That's nice Winston. But here's a question for you. Which bogeyman do you reject? I can list a few examples if you'd like.
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Reply #333 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:01pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 8:21pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 7:20pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 6:32pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 9:40pm:
I never bought into the Islamic boogeyman thing. There's no point in having an opinion on it. You are all going to do what you are told in the end anyway, no matter how absurd. The fact it is talked about so much on these boards just goes to show how much of a success the whole scam was.


Which bogeyman do you reject?

The terrorist attacks like 9/11?

Muslims marching through Sydney with beheading placards?

Muslims fighting two decade long wars in the middle to prevent the establishment of democracy?

All the Muslims who have come on here and explained all the good reasons why the reject freedom, human rights and democracy?

Millions of people around the world living under the yolk of Islam without basic freedom and human dignity?


Muslims are largely irrelevant to most of our lives in Australia. Stay out of their countries and stay away from their private gatherings if you don't like their culture. I have experienced orders of magnitude more fearmongering and anti-Islamic propaganda from the TV than I have had negative experiences in real life. I have rarely had a problem with minorities, as long as I've treated them politely and with the same respect I would treat any other human being.


That's nice Winston. But here's a question for you. Which bogeyman do you reject? I can list a few examples if you'd like.


Any boogeyman that anyone who reads this forum would infer from the number of hysterical posts on the subject, which are completely out of proportion to the actual influence the Islamic world has on any of those posting.
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Reply #334 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:04pm
 
Does that include any of the ones I suggested?
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Reply #335 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:24pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:04pm:
Does that include any of the ones I suggested?


The items you listed aren't mutually exclusive to Islam, you will find many parallels in other cultures. They are only issues because targetted propaganda with an agenda made them so. My original statement about not buying into Islamic boogeymen based on the hype surrounding the subject on this forum is accurate. The disproportionate anti-Islam propaganda posts on here are the result of an agenda of a percentage of the users on this special interests board. The subjects enjoys overexposure here for that reason. The reason being that people with an agenda against Islam are using every opportunity to churn out anti-Islamic propaganda. The is also the case on the world stage, any group could be targetted like this as an exercise in vilification, it just happens to be Islam in this case. To make comparisons becomes abstract and open to semantics lawyering. 50 years ago it was the Soviet 'Evil Empire', now it's Islamofascism.
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Reply #336 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:40pm
 
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:24pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:04pm:
Does that include any of the ones I suggested?


The items you listed aren't mutually exclusive to Islam, you will find many parallels in other cultures.



But all those pathologies come together only in Islam.

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They are only issues because targetted propaganda with an agenda made them so. My original statement about not buying into Islamic boogeymen based on the hype surrounding the subject on this forum is accurate. The disproportionate anti-Islam propaganda posts on here are the result of an agenda of a percentage of the users on this special interests board. The subjects enjoys overexposure here for that reason. The reason being that people with an agenda against Islam are using every opportunity to churn out anti-Islamic propaganda.



The 'agenda' againt Islamofascism is the same as against every other type of fascism.
Do you privilege or prefer Islamofascism over other types?



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The is also the case on the world stage, any group could be targetted like this as an exercise in vilification, it just happens to be Islam in this case. To make comparisons becomes abstract and open to semantics lawyering. 50 years ago it was the Soviet 'Evil Empire', now it's Islamofascism.


Exactly. Hopefully Islamofascism will go the way of the Soviets and the Nazis  - don't you think?



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Reply #337 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 10:38pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:40pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:24pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:04pm:
Does that include any of the ones I suggested?


The items you listed aren't mutually exclusive to Islam, you will find many parallels in other cultures.



But all those pathologies come together only in Islam.

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They are only issues because targetted propaganda with an agenda made them so. My original statement about not buying into Islamic boogeymen based on the hype surrounding the subject on this forum is accurate. The disproportionate anti-Islam propaganda posts on here are the result of an agenda of a percentage of the users on this special interests board. The subjects enjoys overexposure here for that reason. The reason being that people with an agenda against Islam are using every opportunity to churn out anti-Islamic propaganda.



The 'agenda' againt Islamofascism is the same as against every other type of fascism.
Do you privilege or prefer Islamofascism over other types?



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The is also the case on the world stage, any group could be targetted like this as an exercise in vilification, it just happens to be Islam in this case. To make comparisons becomes abstract and open to semantics lawyering. 50 years ago it was the Soviet 'Evil Empire', now it's Islamofascism.


Exactly. Hopefully Islamofascism will go the way of the Soviets and the Nazis  - don't you think?





I will only respond to plain questions.

1. Islamofascism is a boogeyman of Western propaganda, it's not a real political movement. The 'agenda' against Islam on a global level is a propaganda exercise being conducted in parallel with military exercises. It is being conducted as a part of the US plan to maintain global military and economic hegemony.

2. What does my opinion on actual political movements of the past got to do with a boogeyman designed to keep people in fear and compliant?

3. What does my opinion on the validity of global political movements have to do with a made up boogeyman?

The reactiona against Islam as a focal point for terrorism is as ridiculous as someone invading America and calling resistance Christianofascism because the majority of people who participate identify as Christian purely by virtue of their background and location.

The two things are completely unconnected, there IS a Western agenda regarding military involvement in the Middle East, common elements of religion and ethnicity have been extrapolated into an easily digested idea of Islam = 'all the bad things including the last major boogeyman we sold you to show you we meant business: FASCISM!'.
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Reply #338 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 10:50pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 7:37pm:
Take the supreme leader the Ayatollah Khamenei from the Islamic republic of Iran as one example.


Considered a non-Muslim by the overwhelming majority of mainstream Muslims, but why not take him as an example?

The video of his brainwashed Shia followers running amok at his funeral is hilarious. Humiliated in this world and the next!

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Reply #339 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 10:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 6:32pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 9:40pm:
I never bought into the Islamic boogeyman thing. There's no point in having an opinion on it. You are all going to do what you are told in the end anyway, no matter how absurd. The fact it is talked about so much on these boards just goes to show how much of a success the whole scam was.


Which bogeyman do you reject?

The terrorist attacks like 9/11?


From the country that brought us Hiroshima and napalming Vietnamese villagers comes 9/11:






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Reply #340 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 7:29am
 
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:24pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:04pm:
Does that include any of the ones I suggested?


The items you listed aren't mutually exclusive to Islam, you will find many parallels in other cultures. They are only issues because targetted propaganda with an agenda made them so. My original statement about not buying into Islamic boogeymen based on the hype surrounding the subject on this forum is accurate. The disproportionate anti-Islam propaganda posts on here are the result of an agenda of a percentage of the users on this special interests board. The subjects enjoys overexposure here for that reason. The reason being that people with an agenda against Islam are using every opportunity to churn out anti-Islamic propaganda. The is also the case on the world stage, any group could be targetted like this as an exercise in vilification, it just happens to be Islam in this case. To make comparisons becomes abstract and open to semantics lawyering. 50 years ago it was the Soviet 'Evil Empire', now it's Islamofascism.


Its fine to attack islam here but its also ok for the board to take kickbacks from the muslims to promote there matrimonial services on the board.

Is there even a mod on this section?
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Reply #341 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 8:49am
 
Adamant wrote on May 2nd, 2013 at 10:56am:
I thought you only lost an arm and a leg for that FD?  Roll Eyes

Six more of the devil worshipers are going to jail in the UK after trying to spread islam in the normal way. Ifidelophobia at its very best!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-01/six-men-admit-plot-to-bomb-right-wing-rall...


Did you notice that in this entire report the words 'Islam' or 'Muslims' are not used even once?

PC?

I used to believe that, but I've come to believe that they don't want to die in their office being bombed.

This is True Colours' "0.001%" Muslims putting a lid on free reporting because journalists don't want to get killed.




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Reply #342 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 8:57am
 
freediver wrote on May 5th, 2013 at 3:07pm:
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There is no such thing as a definitive interpretation of Islam, there is only individual interpretations.


That is the sort of blasphemy that would get your head chopped off in some parts of the world.


100% correct ~ and he knows it.

Just to mutter such a blasphemy in your sleep would have you dragged out, beaten, and decapitated in many parts of the Third World.
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Reply #343 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 10:23am
 
wally1 wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 7:29am:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:24pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:04pm:
Does that include any of the ones I suggested?


The items you listed aren't mutually exclusive to Islam, you will find many parallels in other cultures. They are only issues because targetted propaganda with an agenda made them so. My original statement about not buying into Islamic boogeymen based on the hype surrounding the subject on this forum is accurate. The disproportionate anti-Islam propaganda posts on here are the result of an agenda of a percentage of the users on this special interests board. The subjects enjoys overexposure here for that reason. The reason being that people with an agenda against Islam are using every opportunity to churn out anti-Islamic propaganda. The is also the case on the world stage, any group could be targetted like this as an exercise in vilification, it just happens to be Islam in this case. To make comparisons becomes abstract and open to semantics lawyering. 50 years ago it was the Soviet 'Evil Empire', now it's Islamofascism.


Its fine to attack islam here but its also ok for the board to take kickbacks from the muslims to promote there matrimonial services on the board.

Is there even a mod on this section?


True. FD is promoting forced Muslim marriages.

Shame, leftards, shame.
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Reply #344 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 10:26am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 8:57am:
freediver wrote on May 5th, 2013 at 3:07pm:
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There is no such thing as a definitive interpretation of Islam, there is only individual interpretations.


That is the sort of blasphemy that would get your head chopped off in some parts of the world.


100% correct ~ and he knows it.

Just to mutter such a blasphemy in your sleep would have you dragged out, beaten, and decapitated in many parts of the Third World.


That's right, Herbie. Just look at our marvellous right to free speech. If we choose, we can insult the Prophet in our sleep.

It's in the Constitution, friends.
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