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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #150 - May 11^th, 2013 at 5:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

Big Dave wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

The muslims refer to Brian Ross as a kafir, which is basically a souless sub-human.

Yeah, sure... Roll Eyes

I suppose Islam doesn't have the market on non-acceptance. People look down on other other because they live in a better suburb for instance. It's the human condition. You , being a male (i suspect) are forbidden to marry a muslim woman. Muslim men are allowed to marry outside their faith for some reason. You are forbidden to shake the hand of a muslim woman or man. The list goes on . Because you are a kafir. So before you start going on about bigotry towards muslim people I believe you should start thinking about the other side to the topic. The ex-administrator for islamic topics on this forum is on aussiemuslim shooting off the word kafir right left and centre and he considered himself a bridge builder. Grin

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #151 - May 11^th, 2013 at 6:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

Ah, so, Yadda. So, every Christian is declaring they are equally guilty of what this man does, when they are declaring themselves a Christian?

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58952000/jpg/_58952403_014196958-1.jpg

You have seen what Kony's Lord's Resistance Army does to it's victims? Shocked

All in the name of Christ.

That's the level of your logic.

So, please go back to playing with your crayons and let the adults discuss matters seriously... Roll Eyes

You are a bare faced liar, Brian.

[...ever thought of converting to ISLAM, Brian ? .....you'd fit right in! Cheesy

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Brian_Ross,

AGAIN....

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When Christians kill others, they are going against their religion;

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Matthew 19:17
.....if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 12:18
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

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But when moslems fights against disbelievers and kill them, they, are being good moslems

And obeying Allah, in having enmity towards all persons who reject ISLAM.

Why isn't that correct ?;

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #152 - May 11^th, 2013 at 6:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 5:45pm:

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 5:35pm:

So Brian Ross will not let us use Muhammed as reflective of Islam because he lived so long ago, but will use Joseph Kony to represent Christianity? And we are the ones who are biased?

I am applying YOUR logic, FD.

Is your logic correct? Nope.

That you appear to see that suggests what about your attitudes towards Muslims?

So, how soon before you start telling Muslims to sew green crescents on their jackets? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

Again Brian, you really should stick to what I actually say.

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #153 - May 11^th, 2013 at 6:44pm

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 6:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 5:45pm:

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 5:35pm:

So Brian Ross will not let us use Muhammed as reflective of Islam because he lived so long ago, but will use Joseph Kony to represent Christianity? And we are the ones who are biased?

I am applying YOUR logic, FD.

Is your logic correct? Nope.

That you appear to see that suggests what about your attitudes towards Muslims?

So, how soon before you start telling Muslims to sew green crescents on their jackets? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

Again Brian, you really should stick to what I actually say.

I have. So, where do you attitudes lead us, FD?

A "clash of civilisations"?

Millions dead?

A "final solution" for Muslims?

Why can't you accept peaceful, law abiding Muslims?

Why can't you differentiate between peaceful, law abiding Muslims and the other sort?

Why can't Muslims be different to you? Do you want uniformity and conformity to that degree in our society?

Muslims aren't going away. Don't you think it's time you learned to live with them? Roll Eyes

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #154 - May 11^th, 2013 at 6:54pm

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I have. So, where do you attitudes lead us, FD?

Brian, can you tell the difference between a perceived attitude and what I actually say? I can imagine your howls of complaint if I started criticising Muslims for their attitude.

To answer your question, they lead us to standing up for democracy and standing up for human rights, not constantly excusing those who try to take them away with vulgar displays of agression.

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Why can't you differentiate between peaceful, law abiding Muslims and the other sort?

I do. I am sure Abu is a peaceful, law abiding Muslim. Again, you should stick to what I actually say. You seem to have no concept of the distinctions I have made. I can't see how they could be too subtle for you.

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Why can't Muslims be different to you? Do you want uniformity and conformity to that degree in our society?

Universal human rights are universal. I do not accept that we should allow people to destroy freedom and human rights to pacify religious nutters.

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #155 - May 11^th, 2013 at 7:02pm

Yadda wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 6:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

Ah, so, Yadda. So, every Christian is declaring they are equally guilty of what this man does, when they are declaring themselves a Christian?

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58952000/jpg/_58952403_014196958-1.jpg

You have seen what Kony's Lord's Resistance Army does to it's victims? Shocked

All in the name of Christ.

That's the level of your logic.

So, please go back to playing with your crayons and let the adults discuss matters seriously... Roll Eyes

You are a bare faced liar, Brian.

Evidence please. Where have I knowingly told an untruth?

Just because I don't agree with you or believe something different to you does not make me a liar, Yadda. Roll Eyes

Do you need some more crayons? I'm sure I can find another box. Grin

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #156 - May 11^th, 2013 at 7:15pm

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

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I have. So, where do you attitudes lead us, FD?

Brian, can you tell the difference between a perceived attitude and what I actually say? I can imagine your howls of complaint if I started criticising Muslims for their attitude.

By all means criticise individual Muslims for their "attitude", FD.

It would make a refreshing change from your blanket accusations! Roll Eyes

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To answer your question, they lead us to standing up for democracy and standing up for human rights, not constantly excusing those who try to take them away with vulgar displays of agression.

Yet you don't attack the Muslims who "who try to take them away with vulgar displays of agression."[sic] You attack all Muslims... Roll Eyes

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Why can't you differentiate between peaceful, law abiding Muslims and the other sort?

I do. I am sure Abu is a peaceful, law abiding Muslim. Again, you should stick to what I actually say. You seem to have no concept of the distinctions I have made. I can't see how they could be too subtle for you.

I see no distinctions in your writing, FD. I only see the universal term "Muslims". Not the qualified terms I've already mentioned or the other ones. Just "Muslims". Roll Eyes

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Why can't Muslims be different to you? Do you want uniformity and conformity to that degree in our society?

Universal human rights are universal. I do not accept that we should allow people to destroy freedom and human rights to pacify religious nutters.

Don't the universal human rights of Muslims count? Roll Eyes

Aren't they allowed to express their opinions? Are they denied freedom of speech, expression, religion, association?

'cause that is essentially what you're doing. You're declaring them, no matter how innocent guilty of any crime that a Muslim commits anywhere and denying them their rights and making them second-class citizens. Down that road lies signs with "Arbeit Macht Frei" over the gates.

My argument against you is not that all Muslims are innocent. Rather than only some are guilty. Your language makes no differentiation. You see only bad in Islam and it's believers, no matter whom they are or what they have done. That is prejudice, that is bigotry.

Change your language and my disagreement with you will end. If you don't then my charge against you of bigotry will stand. Up to you now.

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #157 - May 11^th, 2013 at 7:42pm

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I see no distinctions in your writing, FD. I only see the universal term "Muslims". Not the qualified terms I've already mentioned or the other ones. Just "Muslims".

Of course you don't see it. The distinction I made is that commanding people to live in peace and obey the law of the land when they are outside the Caliphate does not mean that Muslims do not want to create a Caliphate where the Islamic standards apply. You accuse me of not differentiating between "peaceful, law abiding Muslims and the other sort", yet the target of most of my criticism is the peaceful, law abiding Muslims like Abu. You appear to think I am targetting the law abiding Muslims with the terrorist brush, but I am not. There is nothing in my wiki for example that suggests Muslims are commanded to reject the law of the land or engage in vigilantism.

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Don't the universal human rights of Muslims count?

Sure. You just have no clue what they are. No-one has the right not to be offended.

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Aren't they allowed to express their opinions? Are they denied freedom of speech, expression, religion, association?

'cause that is essentially what you're doing.

No it is not Brian. You have no clue. You may not have noticed, but I even established a forum and invited Muslims to come along and not only join and post, but to moderate it to their own standards. I even allow you to post this mindless drivel.

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #158 - May 11^th, 2013 at 8:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 6:44pm:

Why can't you accept peaceful, law abiding Muslims?

We can and we do.
What we do not and cannot accept is Islam. It is incompatible with everything I want for my three sons.
Insofar as Muslims can leave Islam behind, they are welcome. But Islam itself is not welcome.

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #159 - May 11^th, 2013 at 9:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 7:02pm:

Yadda wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 6:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

Ah, so, Yadda. So, every Christian is declaring they are equally guilty of what this man does, when they are declaring themselves a Christian?

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58952000/jpg/_58952403_014196958-1.jpg

You have seen what Kony's Lord's Resistance Army does to it's victims? Shocked

All in the name of Christ.

That's the level of your logic.

So, please go back to playing with your crayons and let the adults discuss matters seriously... Roll Eyes

You are a bare faced liar, Brian.

Evidence please. Where have I knowingly told an untruth?

Just because I don't agree with you or believe something different to you does not make me a liar, Yadda. Roll Eyes

I previously [in another thread] have pointed out to you, that;

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When Christians kill others, they are going against their religion;

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Matthew 19:17
.....if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 12:18
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Your claims re Kony's Lord's Resistance Army are clearly dishonest, they are lies.

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #160 - May 11^th, 2013 at 10:04pm

Yadda wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

Your claims re Kony's Lord's Resistance Army are clearly dishonest, they are lies.

Which could read "your claims re [random extremist element in islam] are clearly dishonest, they are lies. Thats kind of like how I feel.

The number of people killed in the name of christianity makes islam look like a Sunday school picnic in comparison. Yet I would never be so foolish as to say christianity is a force for violence/evil. The message of Jesus was a message of peace - the message of christianity is a message of peace. I just happen to believe that the message of islam is *ALSO* a message of peace.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #161 - May 11^th, 2013 at 10:21pm

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 7:42pm:

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I see no distinctions in your writing, FD. I only see the universal term "Muslims". Not the qualified terms I've already mentioned or the other ones. Just "Muslims".

Of course you don't see it. The distinction I made is that commanding people to live in peace and obey the law of the land when they are outside the Caliphate does not mean that Muslims do not want to create a Caliphate where the Islamic standards apply.

This is a democracy, FD. Muslims have the right to vote, just as you do. Does that fact worry you?

If they can garner sufficient votes, then who are you to say they can't elect a government which will create their Caliphate for them?

It will never happen of course when they have only 1.5-2% of the population, so your fears are groundless (and please don't try and claim they'll become the majority according to some xenophobic youtube video). Roll Eyes

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You accuse me of not differentiating between "peaceful, law abiding Muslims and the other sort", yet the target of most of my criticism is the peaceful, law abiding Muslims like Abu.

If they are peaceful, law-abiding what's your problem with them?

Oh, that's right, they're Muslims. I should have realised. Roll Eyes

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You appear to think I am targetting the law abiding Muslims with the terrorist brush, but I am not. There is nothing in my wiki for example that suggests Muslims are commanded to reject the law of the land or engage in vigilantism.

I see you targeting law-abiding Muslims, claiming they all liars, that they seek to overthrow Western civilisation, etc., etc. Your prejudice is self-evident, FD. Roll Eyes

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Don't the universal human rights of Muslims count?

Sure. You just have no clue what they are. No-one has the right not to be offended.

Aren't you effectively claiming that you have that right because you're offended by their criticism of "Western Civilisation" and Democracy?

I believe though, that everybody has a right to have their views respected, particularly religious ones, FD. How about you?

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Aren't they allowed to express their opinions? Are they denied freedom of speech, expression, religion, association?

'cause that is essentially what you're doing.

No it is not Brian. You have no clue. You may not have noticed, but I even established a forum and invited Muslims to come along and not only join and post, but to moderate it to their own standards. I even allow you to post this mindless drivel.

Ah, now who is demanding a right not to be offended?

FD, get down off your high horse. I find your drivel offensive but I answer it, I don't demand that you shut up or stop posting it. Thus far the only authority I've seen you cite has been one of your moderators who appears to have decamped for some reason (perhaps he got fed up hitting his head against a brickwall and putting up with your bigotry?). Roll Eyes

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #162 - May 11^th, 2013 at 10:45pm

Law abiding Muslims are not pulling the crazy Muslims into line.

That's the problem with law abiding Muslims. You, a non-Muslim, are distancing the crazies from the law abiding. But it is not your task, pal. It's the task of the 'law-abiding' Muslims. But they are too afraid of the crazies to speak out against them.

You have been sucked into the Islamic civil war and internal struggle without knowing it. This sort of thing is usually called 'useful idiot'.

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #163 - May 11^th, 2013 at 11:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 11:26pm:

Soren wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 11:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 10:59pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:

total rubbish from the islamic

I'm not a Muslim, Sprintcyclist. Do you always subscribe to the idea that anybody who questions hatred and bigotry has to be a member of the oppressed group? Roll Eyes

So how many Muslims do you know, then?

Appreciably more than zero, Soren. Grin

Appreciably? I don't think so.
You are just repeating dozy bromides sucked up from right-on internet opinion.

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