Yep,  thought provoking par excellence

It makes me think you are nutso...  crazy in the coconut.. 

away with the wackos and fairies..dancing in the fairy ring..

dreaming of Allah's paradise ..where you get to rape all the virgins you like...

seriously delusional  ...in other words......   

Amadd wrote on May 7^th, 2013 at 12:27am:

If you hate western idiots then why are you trying to mimic them?

 

You can't win: 

The real stuff was when the reef was still alive about 10-15yrs ago. Even then it was too late, but now it's far too late. The so-so reef is half dead already and not much hope of saving the rest no matter what is done.

Of course controlling the crown of thorns, restricting shipping, tourism and all new developments wouldn't hurt, but further temperature rise seems inevitable unless the world's population ceased to exist tomorrow.

So use half of everything for no applause and watch half of Africa and India being imported here to appease company profits. Then watch them being as wasteful as your neighbour, because after all, Australians are one of the world's largest per capita energy users.

But yes I still try to use less energy, as do many people.
It's not a matter of "I don't care" or "it's all too hard" as has been accused of me. It's a matter of, "IMO, try as we may, the machine cannot be stopped or recreated enough to save what's left of the reef and keep the economy as well. If the reef stops dying, it probably won't be due to 10% of the population halving their carbon footprint or 80% of the population pointing to everybody else to do something.

It's a matter of,

"IMO, try as we may, the machine cannot be stopped or recreated enough to save what's left of the reef and keep the economy as well.

If the reef stops dying, it probably won't be due to 10% of the population halving their carbon footprint or 80% of the population pointing to everybody else to do something.


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Amadd...???  like many I don't think you are really clued in to the consequences we face..

'....... recreated enough to save what's left of the reef and keep the economy as well.'

ITS NOT..... EITHER/OR  .....  not a choice.... 

ITS NEITHER....  SURELY.!!!  ?????

but why lay your neck on the block... waiting for the blade...??

good for you...

I also use minimal power and common resources.. and am working to improve on that. 
It may be insignificant in the whole bigger picture ..who can say? .. I know it is not a hardship as of now...  and the  longer we improve our behaviour ..the greater the chance for better outcomes.
The Earth has amazing regenerative powers...  we really display our hubris by thinking we can permanently damage her..  but we can certainly make things very hard for ourselves in the wash-up.

Most people who are able to recognise the need, do make efforts to lessen their 'foot print'..
..sadly this doesn't apply to corporations or governments, for the most part.  Those that do, should be rewarded with patronage.

You imply I am just 'talkin' .. not walkin'...  why pick on me for standing up for what I consider important?. 
You don't know me Amadd.. so perhaps I'm just a name for a generic class you envisage.

How about you make a Poll on this  ??
There are many opportunities for you to proceed.

I don't castigate people for favouring planet over profit.

To me..it seems the only sensible next step for humans to take.

Emma wrote on May 8^th, 2013 at 7:45pm:


My point was that it's easy to say that you favour the environment over profits, but not so simple to do.

Yes I could start a poll and ask people if they'd give up all animal products in the hope of saving the reef.
I could also go further and ask if they'd give up all agricultural products.
I could also ask if they'd forego an education for their children or medical treatment for a sick child or parent if were to be too much strain on the environment.
..Or I could ask if they'd be happy with no new Infrastructures or upkeep on the existing. ..The list goes on.

The uproar over the carbon tax alone should be enough of an indication as to how serious our nation's people really are about making a difference to the environment. It's all well and good as long as it doesn't have the potential to hit the wallet.

Unfortunately, it's the very poor nations who are the world's most environmentally friendly per capita...not by any specific choice of course. And not many of us here would honestly agree to live under those types of hardships if we have the choice either.

I'm not castigating people over being well intended. I'm glad that you started this thread in the hope that one or two might see that they really aren't all that prepared to give up their lifestyle (which stems from company profits) for the environment.

The world economy is already in dire trouble, IMO more because we've been saturated with products that are cluttering, unnecessary and becoming obsolete than any real thought for the environment.

As well as the exponential growth thing being proven a furphy, it's also up to us to personally do our bit to further cut demand.
I try to cut demand in full expectation that it's going to impact on me in later years barring some massive advances in renewable energy production.
Most other people, especially from other nations, will be putting their heads on the chopping block far more than me if they want to endeavour to help the environment.