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Re: not all terrorists are goddamn muslim, you bigot
Reply #60 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 11:34am

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:39am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 20^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

It's a bit like here, some people still have difficulty separating/differentiating the schism between Muslims and Islam.

And there is a big difference.

Ah. We've crossed swords over this one before.

But I take your point.

I've had many Muslim friends in the workplace whose default position was not one of hostility towards the Australian infidel host people.

But nevertheless they were all carriers and hosts of the sexually transmitted disease that we know as 'Islam'.

Take the Boston bombers. Their parents were interviewed on TV, and they seem to be a totally reasonable people with their head in the right place.

But Islam, being a sexually transmitted disease, resurfaced to deadly effect in their children. In the parents it remained dormant and non-lethal, only to be reactivated in a most violent way 25 years after the birth of their children.

This potential rests within every Muslim who is born to migrants in Western societies.

To invite Muslims to settle in your country is to play Russian Roulette with people's lives. Any people with the capacity to be 'radicalised' towards committing mass-murder should obviously be barred from immigration.

It's a no-brainer.

Just ask the people of Boston.

Absolutely correct, imo, Herbert.

But difficult to get more than a minority of our society [even on a public forum like this one] to acknowledge as true.

Why so ?

Is it societal cowardice ?

Or just plain societal, self destructive, stupidity ?i

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THESE ARE THE WORDS OF MOSLEMS TODAY, 2012/2013,
WHO ARE LIVING IN EGYPT TODAY.
THESE ARE THE WORDS WHICH MOSLEMS ARE USING, TO PROMOTE ISLAM TODAY, 2012/2013...

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"Allah is our objective;
the Quran is our law,
the Prophet is our leader;
Jihad is our way;
and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."

The moslem brotherhood's call to duty for every moslem
Which is an ACCURATE representation of what ISLAM requires and expects from every moslem worthy of the name.

So, it is true;

All moslems are terrorists, activated, or as yet, unactivated, by their 'religious' convictions.

Moslems who tell us that ISLAM is a virtuous religion or philosophy are lying to us,
and moslems are able to lie to us, because they [moslems] know, that we do not know any better!

THE WORDS OF THE KORAN;

AND REMEMBER, THIS IS THE 'RELIGIOUS' CODEX THAT MOSLEMS SWEAR TO LIVE BY...

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: not all terrorists are goddamn muslim, you bigot
Reply #61 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 12:05pm

Heres the actual survey Herbert misquoted:
http://www.icmresearch.com/pdfs/2006_february_sunday_telegraph_muslims_poll.pdf

This is the data about the 7/7 bombings:

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Q.7 Irrespective of whether you think the London bombings were justified or not, do you personally have any sympathy with the feelings and motives
of those who carried out the attacks?

responses:

Yes - a lot: 8%
Yes - a little 12%
No - 75%
refused - 1%
Don't know - 4%

Note in the question it says "Irrespective of whether you think the London bombings were justified or not"

Thus Herbert's claim that 1 in 4 (which is actually 1 in 5) think the bombings were "justified" is quite simply an out and out lie.

Go through the rest of the survey, and every single question that relates to the use of violence, the vast majority state that they are against it.

Other responses:

expressed loyalty to Britain - 91%
whether carrying placard calling for those who insult islam to be beheaded was wrong: 82%

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: not all terrorists are goddamn muslim, you bigot
Reply #62 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 12:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 9:43am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:50am:

Tragically, almost one in four British Muslims believe that last year's 7/7 attacks on London were justified because of British support for the U.S.-led war on terror.

Thats just a flat out lie Herbert, and its not even a quote from the source you cited.

What *YOUR* source says is this:

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The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity.

So actually, your "1 in four think it was justified" really means 1 in 5 sympathise with the "feelings and motives" of the bombers - but almost all those believe the bombing was unjustified.

You are completely shameless Herbert.

Let's try it again, shall we?

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Forty-five percent say 9/11 was a conspiracy by the American and Israeli governments. This figure is more than twice as high as those who say it was not a conspiracy. Tragically, almost one in four British Muslims believe that last year's 7/7 attacks on London were justified because of British support for the U.S.-led war on terror.

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The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity."

What if the above was written as:

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The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of paedophiles, although 99 per cent think the offenders are wrong to carry out these atrocities."

... have sympathy with the 'feelings and motives' of the suicide bombers ....

Ask yourself: What percentage of British non-Muslims have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London?

What is the obvious conclusion?

Answer: A fifth ~ a whole 20% of British Muslims are susceptible to being radicalised against the non-Muslim British public.

Muslims are poison in the British well. They are rats in the national silo. 100% of them are carriers of a virulent religious disease we know as 'Islam'. It will be passed on down through the coming generations, with any one of them 'getting religion' and going on a murderous jihadi rampage.

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Re: not all terrorists are goddamn muslim, you bigot
Reply #63 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 12:33pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 11:34am:

Good question.

Over several years I've been slowly coming to the conclusion that these 'deniers' are not so much 'leftwing idiots', etc, but just ordinary non-political people who are so terrified of the threat that immigrant Islam poses for the continuing good health of our Western homelands that they simply go into a catatonic state of denial.

It's hard to see anything's wrong if you've got your head stuck in the sand.

Witness grandmufti's desperate attempts to squeeze me back into the genie bottle.

He wants me to shut up and stop frightening him with more stories about how Islam's Little Immigrant Muslim Helpers are gnawing at the very foundations of our free and democratic homeland society.

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.. have sympathy with the 'feelings and motives' of the suicide bombers ....

Jesus Christ! What more do people need to wake up to the threat that Immigrant Islam poses for one's home country?

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Re: not all terrorists are goddamn muslim, you bigot
Reply #64 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 12:50pm

You can try all you like to whitewash the fact that you just came out with an out and out lie Herbert, but its not going to fly.

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Tragically, almost one in four British Muslims believe that last year's 7/7 attacks on London were justified because of British support for the U.S.-led war on terror.

so quoting a different source that repeats the same lie somehow makes it more valid does it? Do you at least understand that claiming the respondents thought it was "justified" after specifically being asked "... irrespective of whether you think the London bombings were justified or not..." - is just a tad dishonest?

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 12:13pm:

... have sympathy with the 'feelings and motives' of the suicide bombers ....

Ask yourself: What percentage of British non-Muslims have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London?

What is the obvious conclusion?

Answer: A fifth ~ a whole 20% of British Muslims are susceptible to being radicalised against the non-Muslim British public.

Thats your spin, and it is completely inconsistent with what people were actually responding to. What were the "feelings and motives" of the bombers? The publicly stated reasons of the perpetrators was US aggression in muslim lands, and the UK support of this. Is it really that sinnister that many muslims would be sympathetic to this view? But to say that this automatically means that all these muslims are "susceptible to being radicalised" is disingenuous to the extreme.

What if I was to say that you sympathise with the "feelings and motives" of Anders Breivik? Would that be unfair? No - it is a simple statement of fact - Breivik was motivated by his opposition to the continued immigration of muslims to western countries. You have clearly expressed the exact same sentiment. Does that make you a potential murderer like Breivik? Of course not.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 12:13pm:

Muslims are poison in the British well. They are rats in the national silo. 100% of them are carriers of a virulent religious disease we know as 'Islam'. It will be passed on down through the coming generations, with any one of them 'getting religion' and going on a murderous jihadi rampage.

Charming. The great irony here of course, is that here we have an immigrant such as yourself, railing against the importation of dangerous, hate-mongering ideas and cultures.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #67 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 1:25pm

gandalf: Quote:

The publicly stated reasons of the perpetrators was US aggression in muslim lands,

Precisely!

Now at last we're getting somewhere! You're beginning to wake up and admit to some fundamental truths here.

The Islamic religion is the connective tissue that has the UK Muslims in sympathy with their Islamic brothers and sisters across the world.

The UK Muslims are not Afghans, or Iraqis, or any other kind of national, and all they need is a shared Islamic identity to turn traitor against the country of their birth.

These people should be sorted out now, in a gentle and humane way, before the arrival of a holocaust that will have the average non-Muslim Britisher and European looking the other way as the cattle-trucks rumble through the night towards Hitler's refurbished extermination camps.

I don't want to see that. It shouldn't happen. But enough is enough. Our politicians MUST stop Muslim immigration, and start sorting out those who have settled in amongst us already.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: not all terrorists are goddamn muslim, you bigot Reply #68 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 1:32pm polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 1:04pm: Thats ok Herb, I'll leave you to get back to your 2GB radio and Miranda Devine articles. The real world is not everyone's cup of tea. You forgot Andrew Bolt, Piers Ackerman, Mark Steyn, and the incomparable Pat Condell!
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Re: not all terrorists are goddamn muslim, you bigot
Reply #69 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 1:41pm

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Muslim Opinion Polls

A "Tiny Minority of Extremists"?

"Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be
unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is their destination."
Quran 9:73

Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live peacefully and that only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence? That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a tiny minority of racists ever hurt anyone. Neither does it explain why religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.

In truth, even a tiny minority of "1%" of Muslims worldwide translates to 15 million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number. However, the "minority" of Muslims who approve of terrorists, their goals, or their means of achieving them is much greater than this. In fact, it isn't even a true minority in some cases, depending on how goals and targets are defined.

The following polls convey what Muslims say are their attitudes toward terrorism, al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, the 9/11 attacks, violence in defense of Islam, Sharia, honor killings, and matters concerning assimilation in Western society. The results are all the more astonishing because most of the polls were conducted by organizations with an obvious interest in "discovering" agreeable statistics that downplay any cause for concern.

(These have been compiled over the years, so not all links remain active. We will continue adding to this).

Terrorism

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

[and many more polls cited.....]

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: not all terrorists are goddamn muslim, you bigot
Reply #70 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 1:44pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 1:25pm:

The UK Muslims are not Afghans, or Iraqis, or any other kind of national, and all they need is a shared Islamic identity to turn traitor against the country of their birth

So opposition to the war in Iraq, and general cow-towing of US imperial policies in muslim countries is traitorous is it?

If I'm not mistaken, the vast majority of UK citizens opposed the war at every step (as they did everywhere else in the west). By your logic, the majority of UK citizens (who are mostly not muslim) "need a shared islamic identity to turn traitor". Make sense to you?

I'll ask again - does sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of Anders Breivik automatically make you a terrorist in waiting? No.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22121 A cat with a view	Re: not all terrorists are goddamn muslim, you bigot Reply #71 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 1:51pm polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 1:04pm: Thats ok Herb, I'll leave you to get back to your 2GB radio and Miranda Devine articles. The real world is not everyone's cup of tea. The real world.......like 'sucking up' the opinions of someone like Catherine Deveny ?
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Reply #72 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 1:58pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 1:44pm:

I'll ask again - does sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of Anders Breivik automatically make you a terrorist in waiting? No.

Of course it does.

It only takes the right political conditions to arrive for this sympathy to manifest itself in concrete terms that sees you become an active member committing these atrocities yourself.

If a hypothetical Islamic army were to occupy Britain, what percentage of British Muslims do you think would join up with them?

It's a no-brainer.

It's a case of The Enemy Within.

A massive percentage of British Muslims are sympathetic sleepers for an invading Islamic army.

Rats in the silo.

They are an asp to the breast of the British people.

A boil on the arse of Britain's future societal welfare.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: not all terrorists are goddamn muslim, you bigot Reply #74 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 3:23pm polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 3:10pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 1:58pm: A massive percentage of British Muslims are sympathetic sleepers for an invading Islamic army. Ok then. Thanks, grandmufti Meanwhile ... Muslim agitators are on the rampage again... Enjoy.
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