Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 20
th, 2013 at 12:57pm:
Incorrect.
As immigrants settled in the West, Muslims comprise a community group whose defining identity is that they are of the Islamic faith ~ Sunni, Shia, Wahhabi ~ it matters not.
Laughable. You are personifying a classic outgroup homogeneity effect. The reality is, while Australian muslim leaders have tried for years to unite Australian muslims under the one banner, they have remained hopelessly fractured. A muslim of lebanese origin would be far more likely to associate himself with lebanese christians than he would a muslim from Bosnian or Indonesian origin. Which is kind of stating the obvious - as everyone (except you, apparently) understands that community groups are defined along ethnic, cultural and language lines.
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 20
th, 2013 at 12:57pm:
Aaah. Here you are exploring the censorship option as a strategy for remaining in ignorance and denial of the dysfunctional, delinquent, and often violently criminal behaviour so often observed in the younger members of a particular community group in our society ~ namely, our Muslim community.
No, censorship is clearly your department - ie self censorship.
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 20
th, 2013 at 12:57pm:
There you go again, foolishly being in denial of what has become common knowledge to the general population of Australia. It's a self-defeating strategy. Where there's a problem, it's far more productive to admit to it, and then confront it openly and honestly. You will then find yourself with friends you never knew you had. Infidels who appreciate the unfairness of your position as a Muslim whose own reputation is being sullied by the misdeeds of fellow Muslims.
Thats what we call a strawman Herbert. See nowhere did I deny that there is crime committed by muslims in Australia. The quote of mine you were responding to here is actually just a common sense point:
"when talking about ethnic crime in Australia, those perpetrators from a muslim background are just one of many ethnic groups, and indeed are not even at the top. ". Are you actually denying this is the case?
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 20
th, 2013 at 12:57pm:
I'm English. A few years ago when the notorious English soccer hooligans were on the rampage across Britain and the European continent ~ did anyone hear me saying that you should switch to another TV channel, or go into ridiculous denials in order to 'save face' and preserve my nationalist vanity?
Let me reemphasise my last point to put this in context: Ethnic crime exists, but there is more ethnic crime than just Lebanese muslim crime. There is more crime committed by New Zealand maoris and gangs from pacific islands such as Fiji. Also I don't know what the prevalence is, but there is also a huge problem of Chinese triad gangs trafficking drugs, prostitutes and slave labour. See here's my problem Herbert: you rant on about me burying my head in the sand regarding muslim crime - yet you act as if all this other ethnic crime doesn't even exist. You even berate me for censorship and ignorance when I point this out. So it seems I am the only one acknowedging the problem of *ALL* types of ethnic crime - yet you accuse me of being in denial!
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 20
th, 2013 at 12:57pm:
So it's just a coincidence that the Roman Catholic Church, and the past 50 years of rampant paedophilia right across the globe has had nothing to do with this religion forbidding its clergy from being married and having a normal sex-life?
Um so... catholics create pedophiles, so it logically follows that muslims create drug dealers and armed robbers?
Is that actually an argument?
And no - this is just yet another common myth that you hold. There is little or no evidence that celibacy itself creates pedophiles.
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 20
th, 2013 at 12:57pm:
The Cronulla Riots had its genesis in the fact that for years groups of Muslim youths would go down to the beach to abuse and intimidate Australian girls for wearing costumes that were not approved by Muslim social values.
No. The cronulla riots was culmination of years of turf wars by *BOTH* Lebanese and whites. The fact that it was a specifically Lebanese related makes a mockery of your entire point. Where were the Indonesian or Pakistani or Iraqi muslims during that riot? Surely if, as you claim so staunchly, all muslims are the one community group, united by a common desire to bring back the caliphate, they all would have been down at the beach harrassing young white girls.
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 20
th, 2013 at 1:46pm:
And Gandalf ~ I came here in 1962 as an English teenager ~ (soon to learn that I was a moderately unwelcome 'Pommy bastard') ~ with no money, no family, no friends, no ethnic community, no job, no trade skills, and with only very temporary accommodation in a hostel.
Dear me, there are so many things wrong with this comparison. Firstly, you are white, speak English, you arrived when unskilled employment was bountiful, and you most likely received some kind of assistance package from the government. Also you definitely weren't fleeing a war zone with all the psychological trauma that goes with it. Finally, you didn't arrive during a bizarre government program of "self help" (euphemism for no resettlement assistance whatsoever)
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