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How we CAN, reform democracy in Australia
Apr 4^th, 2013 at 1:27pm

How we CAN, reform democracy in Australia

Q.
What is wrong with democracy in Australia ?

A.
Too many selfish, unthinking idiots, are allowed to vote. imo Grin

What is to be done to improve the standard of our elected representatives ????

Hmmmm?

SUGGESTION;

Offer every person who is eligible to vote, one of two options;

1/ You can have a small sum of money [say, $200 ???]
OR,
2/ You can vote for your parliamentary representative.

Q.
How do you think, that most idiots persons who are eligible to vote, will choose ?

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Moderator, i intentionally did NOT post this thread into a 'political' board.

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Re: How we CAN, reform democracy in Australia
Reply #1 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 1:57pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

SUGGESTION;

Offer every person who is eligible to vote, one of two options;

[b]1/ You can have a small sum of money [say, $200 ???]

For the sake of having a 'consistent' $$$ amount, link the disbursement [the $$$, instead of your right to vote] to a percentage of the current government pension ?

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Re: How we CAN, reform democracy in Australia
Reply #2 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:12pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

SUGGESTION;

Offer every person who is eligible to vote, one of two options;

1/ You can have a small sum of money [say, $200 ???]
OR,
2/ You can vote for your parliamentary representative.

Personally i believe that many Australians wallow in a deep state of apathy, and are mostly uninterested by politics in Australia [turned off by the lies the corruption and other 'antics' of our politicians?] ?

"Don't vote, it just encourages them!"

OR,

"No matter who you vote for, a politician always gets elected."

Those sentiments, not true, not real, among Australians ????

Cearly many people here think that my suggestion that many Australians are so uninterested in casting a vote on polling day, that Australians would sell their right to vote, is just too cynical of me ?

Would Australians sell their right to vote !?
Nah.

You are a disgrace Yadda.

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Yadda = = Robinson Crusoe Cool

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I would suggest that perhaps at least 30% of Australians [and perhaps as many as 60% of Australians] would sell their right to vote, for as little as $200.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77853 Gender:	Re: How we CAN, reform democracy in Australia Reply #3 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:16pm Yadda wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:12pm: I would suggest that perhaps at least 30% of Australians [and perhaps as many as 60% of Australians] would sell their right to vote, for as little as $200. It wouldn't surprise me.
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Re: How we CAN, reform democracy in Australia
Reply #4 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:46pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:12pm:

I would suggest that perhaps at least 30% of Australians [and perhaps as many as 60% of Australians] would sell their right to vote, for as little as $200.

If such a process were in place in Australia, it would be money well spent, imo;

In removing from the electoral pool [voluntarily, and in a self selecting way] people who are apathetic and uninterested in politics and the governing of their country.

Later, at some future election, if some of those same people decided that they DID want to participate in electing lawmakers, then they could choose, very simply, to rejoin 'the electorate', by not taking the 'avoidance fee/payment' at that time.

???

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Re: How we CAN, reform democracy in Australia
Reply #5 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 11:39pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:46pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 9:12pm:

I would suggest that perhaps at least 30% of Australians [and perhaps as many as 60% of Australians] would sell their right to vote, for as little as $200.

If such a process were in place in Australia, it would be money well spent, imo;

In removing from the electoral pool [voluntarily, and in a self selecting way] people who are apathetic and uninterested in politics and the governing of their country.

Later, at some future election, if some of those same people decided that they DID want to participate in electing lawmakers, then they could choose, very simply, to rejoin 'the electorate', by not taking the 'avoidance fee/payment' at that time.

???

To be a good politician or worthy of changing democracy in Australia, you should think in both shoes/many shoes and think of consequences.

Your idea will have the consequence of:

Get me in government and ill make the people so poor, they will have to take the money.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26561 Australia	Re: How we CAN, reform democracy in Australia Reply #6 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 4:29am Ahhh i see. A way to get poor ppl to stop voting! SOB
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Re: How we CAN, reform democracy in Australia
Reply #7 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 8:50am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 4:29am:

Ahhh i see. A way to get poor ppl to stop voting!

SOB

Darn SPOT!

You have seen through my 'scheme'.

Yes, my 'scheme', is a conspiracy against all of those poor Australians, to force them not to vote.
/sarc off

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"Your idea will have the consequence of:
Get me in government and ill make the people so poor, they will have to take the money."

progressiveslol,

No one can 'force' anyone, to accept money from another person, rather than do something else.

Q.
Who would choose to, effectively, 'sell themselves', for $200 ?

A.
Those persons who are more interested in selfish consumerism, than in having a direct influence upon the formation of government and choosing lawmakers.

And surely that should be our choice, ....and a choice for the people of both camps ?

In a country like Australia, consumerism, is a lifestyle choice.
e.g.
Choosing to get overweight, by eating Big Macs.

What right do you we have, to tell people that the can't have their big macs ?

The right of any normal person to have the right to have a preoccupation with the acquisition of 'things' and to becoming obese, is a basic human right! Tongue

Normal people in Australia don't have time to involve themselves, in who is going to be elected to parliament.

They would rather go to the nearest shopping complex, and max out their credit card.

With another $200 'on offer', society is just helping them to fulfil their unavoidable destiny as an Australian consumer.

Offering those who are entitled to vote, [say,] $200, not to vote....

Its a free choice, or actually it is 'enhancing' their 'freedom of choice'.

Such a 'scheme' is merely offering 'the people' yet another [consumer] choice, freely.

Dictionary;
consumerism = = the preoccupation of society with the acquisition of goods.

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Re: How we CAN, reform democracy in Australia
Reply #8 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 9:36am

Yadda wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 8:50am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 4:29am:

Ahhh i see. A way to get poor ppl to stop voting!

SOB

Darn SPOT!

You have seen through my 'scheme'.

Yes, my 'scheme', is a conspiracy against all of those poor Australians, to force them not to vote.
/sarc off

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"Your idea will have the consequence of:
Get me in government and ill make the people so poor, they will have to take the money."

progressiveslol,

No one can 'force' anyone, to accept money from another person, rather than do something else.

Q.
Who would choose to, effectively, 'sell themselves', for $200 ?

A.
Those persons who are more interested in selfish consumerism, than in having a direct influence upon the formation of government and choosing lawmakers.

And surely that should be our choice, ....and a choice for the people of both camps ?

In a country like Australia, consumerism, is a lifestyle choice.
e.g.
Choosing to get overweight, by eating Big Macs.

What right do you we have, to tell people that the can't have their big macs ?

The right of any normal person to have the right to have a preoccupation with the acquisition of 'things' and to becoming obese, is a basic human right! Tongue

Normal people in Australia don't have time to involve themselves, in who is going to be elected to parliament.

They would rather go to the nearest shopping complex, and max out their credit card.

With another $200 'on offer', society is just helping them to fulfil their unavoidable destiny as an Australian consumer.

Offering those who are entitled to vote, [say,] $200, not to vote....

Its a free choice, or actually it is 'enhancing' their 'freedom of choice'.

Such a 'scheme' is merely offering 'the people' yet another [consumer] choice, freely.

Dictionary;
consumerism = = the preoccupation of society with the acquisition of goods.

Sad that you didnt think of the consequence in the first place, downright scary that it seemed to blow over your head the second instance.

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Re: How we CAN, reform democracy in Australia
Reply #9 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 9:52am

I am an eccentric.

And i have an unconventional view/opinion of what man's 'place' here is. [the 'purpose', of us 'being']

Dictionary;
eccentric = = unconventional and slightly strange.

Hey progressiveslol,

I still have to be 'way ahead', of many of you 'normal' people, imo [...as an 'eccentric']. Wink

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0

No ?

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Re: How we CAN, reform democracy in Australia
Reply #10 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 10:50pm

Y, your dictionary is mistaken. Eccentrics also require a degree of intelligence and an independant income. I believe you satisfy only one of these criteria.

Forgive the interjection, but quoting your own posts and talking to yourself does not automatically qualify you as an eccentric.

There are other terms for this.

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Re: How we CAN, reform democracy in Australia
Reply #11 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 11:14pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 10:50pm:

Y, your dictionary is mistaken. Eccentrics also require a degree of intelligence and an independant income. I believe you satisfy only one of these criteria.

Forgive the interjection, but quoting your own posts and talking to yourself does not automatically qualify you as an eccentric.

There are other terms for this.

Thank you, "Princess Leia".

Scruffy Nerfherder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f6Xc3PsOkc

Any other criticisms ?

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: How we CAN, reform democracy in Australia Reply #12 - Apr 6^th, 2013 at 12:00am Yadda the people don't elect Gillard or Abbott, their own gangs did that. The people, interested or not, just get to choose between them. Where's the pay off for your investment?
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Reply #13 - Apr 6^th, 2013 at 12:30am

Grey wrote on Apr 6^th, 2013 at 12:00am:

Yadda the people don't elect Gillard or Abbott, their own gangs did that.

Errr, where did i say that they did ?

Quote:

The people, interested or not, just get to choose between them.

Where's the pay off for your investment?

grey,

PROPOSITION;
Any person who was truly interested in teh good governance of a country [...their country!] would not 'sell' their entitlement to vote for $200 !

PROPOSITION;
But those who would ['sell' their entitlement to vote for $200], i would argue, are the type of person that should exclude themselves from electing lawmakers!

grey,
Is the mist beginning to rise/clear yet ?

i.e.
Somehow!!!, if a democracy can improve the intellect of the group of people who are entitled to vote for lawmakers, then [quickly] over time, the quality of the lawmakers elected must improve [to reflect the intellect of the people who elected them].

It is called cause, and, effect.

It isn't rocket science.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: How we CAN, reform democracy in Australia Reply #14 - Apr 6^th, 2013 at 12:45am people today are a lot more informed and better educated than a hundred years ago Yadda. I don't see a rise in the standard of politician. Still - you're the smart guy with the special formatting skills, good luck with this and cheerio.
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