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Reply #30 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 5:09pm

Swagman wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 12:47pm:

So, limiting it to cost effective situations, how much difference can it make? Enough to "stuff the carbon tax"?

Remember this..........it would save the same amount of carbon as taking all the cars in the world off the roads for 50 years, a study has found.

That's a bit of a dent......and the carbon tax is stuffed anyway.... Cheesy

So whenever we talk about costs, you insist that you are only talking about very limited scenarios. And when we talk about results, you go back to painting everything white. It's like these discussions with you only go back one post.

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Re: Stuff the carbon tax...paint your roof white
Reply #31 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 5:25pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 4:54pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 4:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 3:20pm:

Trying to 'morph' the subject are we John?

what subject? paint all the roof white? thats about as likely as Abbotts "dig canals from the north to central Australia to move the water down' plan ... never going to happen.

Progs' comment sounds familiar, I'm sure he used almost the exact same words every week for about 4 months when Gillards phantom fraud was the hot topic of the day .. I'm just wandering if this is what I can expect for another 4 months?

The subject was "will gillard be exposed". Yes she was. To all Australians. Now she is being investigated. Job done.

Dont worry to thank me. I know you do.

I believe your favourite comment was 'Pickering to post evidence tomorrow'.... must have seen you say that at least 50 times, yet to see the evidence though .... are you still waiting progs or have you figured it out?

We all know what you believe is a big wank fest.

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Reply #32 - Apr 6^th, 2013 at 10:37am

Swagman wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

Just paint your roof white and you can stop the sky falling in....good old direct action.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/painting-roofs-white-is-...

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Painting roofs white and using light-coloured materials to surface roads and pavements would not only make cities cooler in summer, it would save the same amount of carbon as taking all the cars in the world off the roads for 50 years, a study has found. One of the simplest, yet most effective, ways of engineering the urban environment to cope with global warming is to increase the reflectivity of the cityscape so that more of the incoming sunlight is directed back into space, scientists said. City buildings in warm climates with "cool coloured" surfaces that reflect infra-red radiation would also be cooler than traditional buildings and so would conserve energy – and carbon – that would otherwise be used on air conditioning.

The Eco-Socialists won't promote this simple anti-global warming tactic because it doesn't undermine big corporates and redistribute income and wealth. Sad

Big corporates would likely make more money out of people painting their roofs..... Grin

At the very least they should do the following:

They should neutralise the area of urban heat island. In other words, part of the planning process should be that they take a heat sink like roads and offset its heat sink with xxxxx amount of roofs that are painted white or xxxx amount of shade given to heat sink or xxxxx amount of .................

All to offset unnatural heat sinks created within the area. To neutralize the human behaviour of changing the landscape. They should measure the areas heat signature and keep that balanced all the way through development.

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Re: Stuff the carbon tax...paint your roof white
Reply #33 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 9:16am

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 5:09pm:

Swagman wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 12:47pm:

So, limiting it to cost effective situations, how much difference can it make? Enough to "stuff the carbon tax"?

Remember this..........it would save the same amount of carbon as taking all the cars in the world off the roads for 50 years, a study has found.

That's a bit of a dent......and the carbon tax is stuffed anyway.... Cheesy

So whenever we talk about costs, you insist that you are only talking about very limited scenarios. And when we talk about results, you go back to painting everything white. It's like these discussions with you only go back one post.

Ok FD lets discuss "costs".

Let's assume a new house or a new commercial property is under constructrion or an existing roof is being recoated / re-surfaced. You tell me what the difference in cost would be for someone to choose to buy white roof tiles or white colourbond roofing instead of a dark colour? Huh

Factor in a blood sucking bureaucrat at local govt level (although it should be easily handled by existing blood sucking zoning bureaucrats) Sad

Now lets talk results.

A bit more difficult but this link has plenty of data

http://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/Sustainability/CouncilActions/Documents/Cool_Roo...

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There have been several studies using both field measurement and computer simulations that document the energy savings from increasing the solar reflectance properties of buildings, combined with an increased thermal emittance. It is now widely accepted that the higher reflectivity a roof colour is, the lower solar energy is absorbed and the lower surface temperature will be (Kiehl & Trenberth 2010). Akbari and Konopacki (2005) have calculated the cooling energy savings due to the application of heat island mitigation strategies (application of cool materials and increase in vegetation cover) for 240 regions in the United States. It was found that for residential buildings the cooling energy savings vary between 12% and 25%, for office buildings between 5% and 18%, and for commercial (retail stores) buildings between 7% and 17%.

Fairly significant results IMO and at very little actual cost.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51806 At my desk.	Re: Stuff the carbon tax...paint your roof white Reply #34 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 9:50am Quote: You tell me what the difference in cost would be It's your story. You tell it.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Stuff the carbon tax...paint your roof white Reply #35 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 10:14am freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 9:50am: Quote: You tell me what the difference in cost would be It's your story. You tell it. No probs... Eff-all + Blood sucking bureaucrat fee = Insignificant Cost to Significant Benefit.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41160 Gender:	Re: Stuff the carbon tax...paint your roof white Reply #36 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 10:44am I painted a roof of a house I had with insulpaint. An insulating reflective paint, it was very effective. Painting roads would be impractical, too much glare and would look very ugly
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Re: Stuff the carbon tax...paint your roof white
Reply #37 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 11:08am

The moral here is that individuals of the left persuasion (eco-socialists) are not interested in direct action to reduce CO2 emissions?

The AGWT issue is just a political tool for their socialist antienterprise agendas. In other words they don't give a rat's rectum about 'climate change' just the damage they can do to big business with their commie plans.... Sad

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Reply #38 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 1:20pm

Swagman wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 11:08am:

The moral here is that individuals of the left persuasion (eco-socialists) are not interested in direct action to reduce CO2 emissions?

The AGWT issue is just a political tool for their socialist antienterprise agendas. In other words they don't give a rat's rectum about 'climate change' just the damage they can do to big business with their commie plans.... Sad

I'm not sure how you can make that claim when you've been all over the place on this thread .. first you say paint it white then you say use white only on new builds, if it was as easy as you claim, why have you been struggling to just tell us what the concept is? is it that you don't know and keeping it vague prevents people from questioning it ????

You must be a student of Master Tony.

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Re: Stuff the carbon tax...paint your roof white
Reply #39 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 2:08pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 1:20pm:

I'm not sure how you can make that claim

I can make that claim because it's true Jonathon.

John Smith wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 1:20pm:

, why have you been struggling to just tell us what the concept is?

"Struggling" why yes, but I'd say that's got something to do with the thickness of your skull my lefty friend..... Grin

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Re: Stuff the carbon tax...paint your roof white
Reply #40 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 7:49pm

Swagman wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 10:14am:

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 9:50am:

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You tell me what the difference in cost would be

It's your story. You tell it.

No probs...

Eff-all + Blood sucking bureaucrat fee = Insignificant Cost to Significant Benefit.

LOL, I guess we'll just have to take your word for it.

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Cemmon00 New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5 Gender:	Re: Stuff the carbon tax...paint your roof white Reply #41 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 6:34pm I want to say that good information's which you share above I also want to ask something about painting I want to paint my house and I confused that which color collection is best and I'm not have any collection if anyone have then share here....
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Reply #42 - Apr 11^th, 2013 at 2:53pm

Cemmon00 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 6:34pm:

I want to say that good information's which you share above I also want to ask something about painting I want to paint my house and I confused that which color collection is best and I'm not have any collection if anyone have then share here....

The concept is based on roofs but light exterior colour would also be cooler one would assume. You should just discuss with your local paint store proprietor or contract painter....

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Reply #44 - Apr 12^th, 2013 at 11:26pm

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2013 at 5:16pm:

Swagman do you have anything beyond your silly platitudes to back up your position? Evidence perhaps? Even sticking to same position would be a good start.

I did post a link from the Uni of Melbourne...........

Do you dispute that lighter colours absorb less heat than darker colours?

Part of the Global Warming (AKA Climate Change) T H E O R Y is that retreating ice caps results in a reduced albedo effect. (That is that white ice reflects heat and therefore less ice will reduce in less heat reflection)

Do you deny this?

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