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Reply #15 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 3:30pm

Swagman wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

thats because the roads currently are black ... have you ever seen a white road

The thread is about painting roofs not roads but yeah one thing I remember about my town of origin, Lithgow, is that they had a white road (concrete) as opposed to bitumen, and lots of coal dust and soot in the air.....but the road stayed white.

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opps, sorry about the roads ... I got distracted and misread it ...

but a concrete road is far from being white. It may appear white when you drive onto it from a bitumen road, but thats only because of the contrast ... drop a piece of white paper on it and then see if you still think it's white.

Swagman wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

if its just about choosing a colour when roofs are first constructed or when they are replaced

thats not what your thread title says ...

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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Stuff the carbon tax...paint your roof white Reply #16 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 4:10pm Regarding roads, I think the key here is to not worry too much about painting them, but instead make it manditory that all tyres are made of white rubber. Eventually the roads would become white.
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Reply #17 - Apr 4^th, 2013 at 4:21pm

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Well FD the cost is bugga-all if its just about choosing a colour when roofs are first constructed or when they are replaced.

Sorry I thought you were describing this as some kind of magic bullet solution that would do more than taking all the cars off the roads.

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but yeah one thing I remember about my town of origin, Lithgow, is that they had a white road (concrete) as opposed to bitumen

Do you realise how much more expensive concrete is? Do you realise that concrete releases enourmous amounts of GHGs?

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Regarding roads, I think the key here is to not worry too much about painting them, but instead make it manditory that all tyres are made of white rubber. Eventually the roads would become white.

You should tell that to Tony Abbott. He has a spare $10billion to waste on hair brained schemes.

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Re: Stuff the carbon tax...paint your roof white
Reply #18 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 10:24am

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 4:21pm:

Do you realise how much more expensive concrete is? Do you realise that concrete releases enourmous amounts of GHGs?

Yes I do FD, but I was asked the question "have you ever seen a white road?" by John Smith and I answered yes I have in Lithgow and yeah it's not actually 'white' just a lot lighter shade than normal bitumen.

Just having a policy of having white roofs going forward would be much easier. Uni of Melb did a study for the City of Melb.

http://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/Sustainability/CouncilActions/Documents/Cool_Roo...

Easy, no real significant extra costs so begs the question why this is not being put forward?

Could it be because it's 'direct action' and doesn't reduce CO2 emissions?

Your greeny comrades don't promote it because it doesn't suit their eco-socialist political agendas maybe....? Sad

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Reply #19 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 10:31am

I don't think deluding ourselves about grand schemes (Tony Abbott style) is going to help anyone swagman. This is from your opening post. You even highlighted the claim about taking all the cars off the road:

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Painting roofs white and using light-coloured materials to surface roads and pavements would not only make cities cooler in summer, it would save the same amount of carbon as taking all the cars in the world off the roads for 50 years, a study has found.

Like I already pointed out, most metal roofs these days are already light coloured. Some even have a highly reflective metallic finish. Most of the rest are unpainted roof tiles. Having a reflective roof downhill from you on a slope can be incredibly annoying and can make verandahs unusable. It might be a good idea in some situations, but once you start considering cost those situations are going to be very limited.

Having reflective road surfaces is a really bad idea.

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Reply #20 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 10:45am

Stuff the Carbon Tax..Exactly, stuff in a bucket then deep six it to the deepest part of the sea, where it belongs.

This onerous tax has helped close down businesses and it is a cross society doesn't want and doesn't need. Come September Tony Abbott Prime Minister will kick its sorry arse into oblivion.

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Reply #21 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 12:15pm

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 10:31am:

I don't think deluding ourselves about grand schemes (Tony Abbott style) is going to help anyone swagman. This is from your opening post. You even highlighted the claim about taking all the cars off the road:
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Painting roofs white and using light-coloured materials to surface roads and pavements would not only make cities cooler in summer, it would save the same amount of carbon as taking all the cars in the world off the roads for 50 years, a study has found

Yes the reduced CO2 emissions would be from the reduced heating demands so that is an added benefit and it is not a "grand scheme" but a simple one.

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 10:31am:

Having a reflective roof downhill from you on a slope can be incredibly annoying

Might I suggest you get some sunglasses... Cool

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 10:31am:

It might be a good idea in some situations, but once you start considering cost those situations are going to be very limited.

The cost as pointed out earlier is minimal if implemented at time of initial construction or replacement.

A simple cost effective method to off-set global warming and reduce CO2 emissions (as you pointed out)

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Reply #23 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 2:05pm

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 12:47pm:

So, limiting it to cost effective situations, how much difference can it make? Enough to "stuff the carbon tax"?

Remember this..........it would save the same amount of carbon as taking all the cars in the world off the roads for 50 years, a study has found.

That's a bit of a dent......and the carbon tax is stuffed anyway.... Cheesy

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Stuff the carbon tax...paint your roof white Reply #24 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 3:12pm Stuff the carbon tax. There will be a whole other theory coming soon. Very soon. Co2 will be on its death bed.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78293 Gender:	Re: Stuff the carbon tax...paint your roof white Reply #25 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 3:13pm progressiveslol wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 3:12pm: Stuff the carbon tax. There will be a whole other theory coming soon. Very soon. Co2 will be on its death bed. Will this be before of after Pickering puts up his evidence of Gillards guilt? That was 'coming soon' too wasn't it?
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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Stuff the carbon tax...paint your roof white Reply #26 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 3:20pm Trying to 'morph' the subject are we John?
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Reply #27 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 3:24pm

red baron wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 3:20pm:

Trying to 'morph' the subject are we John?

what subject? paint all the roof white? thats about as likely as Abbotts "dig canals from the north to central Australia to move the water down' plan ... never going to happen.

Progs' comment sounds familiar, I'm sure he used almost the exact same words every week for about 4 months when Gillards phantom fraud was the hot topic of the day .. I'm just wandering if this is what I can expect for another 4 months?

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Re: Stuff the carbon tax...paint your roof white
Reply #28 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 4:07pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 3:20pm:

Trying to 'morph' the subject are we John?

what subject? paint all the roof white? thats about as likely as Abbotts "dig canals from the north to central Australia to move the water down' plan ... never going to happen.

Progs' comment sounds familiar, I'm sure he used almost the exact same words every week for about 4 months when Gillards phantom fraud was the hot topic of the day .. I'm just wandering if this is what I can expect for another 4 months?

The subject was "will gillard be exposed". Yes she was. To all Australians. Now she is being investigated. Job done.

Dont worry to thank me. I know you do.

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Re: Stuff the carbon tax...paint your roof white
Reply #29 - Apr 5^th, 2013 at 4:54pm

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 4:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 3:20pm:

Trying to 'morph' the subject are we John?

what subject? paint all the roof white? thats about as likely as Abbotts "dig canals from the north to central Australia to move the water down' plan ... never going to happen.

Progs' comment sounds familiar, I'm sure he used almost the exact same words every week for about 4 months when Gillards phantom fraud was the hot topic of the day .. I'm just wandering if this is what I can expect for another 4 months?

The subject was "will gillard be exposed". Yes she was. To all Australians. Now she is being investigated. Job done.

Dont worry to thank me. I know you do.

I believe your favourite comment was 'Pickering to post evidence tomorrow'.... must have seen you say that at least 50 times, yet to see the evidence though .... are you still waiting progs or have you figured it out?

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