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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #240 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 12:08pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 11:14am:

And as usual,they are unwilling to accept that the carbon tax adn the ETS are unwanted by a notable majority of voters

Proof?

A notable amount of voters wanted it in 07. - Rudd elected
Not enough didn't in 10 - Tony failed

So if all your relying on for your "Notable" majority is the so called broken promise Sunrise youtube & the fact we got a hung parliament, excuse me if I doubt.

Anything more solid?

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #242 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 1:44pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 11:14am:

And as usual,they are unwilling to accept that the carbon tax adn the ETS are unwanted by a notable majority of voters

Proof?

A notable amount of voters wanted it in 07. - Rudd elected
Not enough didn't in 10 - Tony failed

So if all your relying on for your "Notable" majority is the so called broken promise Sunrise youtube & the fact we got a hung parliament, excuse me if I doubt.

Anything more solid?

the question of the carbon tax/ETS has been polled repeatedly over the past few years. the results always show a signficant majority opposing it.

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #243 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 1:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 11:14am:

And as usual,they are unwilling to accept that the carbon tax adn the ETS are unwanted by a notable majority of voters

Proof?

A notable amount of voters wanted it in 07. - Rudd elected
Not enough didn't in 10 - Tony failed

So if all your relying on for your "Notable" majority is the so called broken promise Sunrise youtube & the fact we got a hung parliament, excuse me if I doubt.

Anything more solid?

the question of the carbon tax/ETS has been polled repeatedly over the past few years. the results always show a signficant majority opposing it.

Want to link some of those results?

Don't bother if they are Murdoch daily rag online crap.

I can't seem to remember any sort of significant poll of merit producing your Notable Majority.

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #244 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 4:53pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 1:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 11:14am:

And as usual,they are unwilling to accept that the carbon tax adn the ETS are unwanted by a notable majority of voters

Proof?

A notable amount of voters wanted it in 07. - Rudd elected
Not enough didn't in 10 - Tony failed

So if all your relying on for your "Notable" majority is the so called broken promise Sunrise youtube & the fact we got a hung parliament, excuse me if I doubt.

Anything more solid?

the question of the carbon tax/ETS has been polled repeatedly over the past few years. the results always show a signficant majority opposing it.

Want to link some of those results?

Don't bother if they are Murdoch daily rag online crap.

I can't seem to remember any sort of significant poll of merit producing your Notable Majority.

it was galaxy of newspoll or the like. I could research it but Im surprised that you question that the carbon tax hs been polled and found to be exceedingly unpopular and not wanted. not even labot pretends that it is popular or wanted by the majority. after all, it is the single issue that is killing the ALP even more than usual.

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #245 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 4:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 1:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 11:14am:

And as usual,they are unwilling to accept that the carbon tax adn the ETS are unwanted by a notable majority of voters

Proof?

A notable amount of voters wanted it in 07. - Rudd elected
Not enough didn't in 10 - Tony failed

So if all your relying on for your "Notable" majority is the so called broken promise Sunrise youtube & the fact we got a hung parliament, excuse me if I doubt.

Anything more solid?

the question of the carbon tax/ETS has been polled repeatedly over the past few years. the results always show a signficant majority opposing it.

Want to link some of those results?

Don't bother if they are Murdoch daily rag online crap.

I can't seem to remember any sort of significant poll of merit producing your Notable Majority.

it was galaxy of newspoll or the like. I could research it but Im surprised that you question that the carbon tax hs been polled and found to be exceedingly unpopular and not wanted. not even labot pretends that it is popular or wanted by the majority. after all, it is the single issue that is killing the ALP even more than usual.

we 'labots' leave all the pretending to you.

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #246 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:01pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:

it is the single issue that is killing the ALP even more than usual.

Well you see that's where we differ.

I don't believe that is the one single issue most responsible for Labors position.

The one single issue that I believe has more to do with Labors position than anything else is how Gillard became PM.

Australians rightly or wrongly felt betrayed/cheated, everything else after that just added to the feelings of resentment.

If it were just a matter of the CT I believe the polls would be 49/51 alternating just about every week.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #247 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:09pm I cant wait for Abbotts policy announcement on climate change and atmospheric pollution....if its anything like his NBN policy he'll be dead and buried long before the Libs get back into power
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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #248 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:12pm adelcrow wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:09pm: I cant wait for Abbotts policy announcement on climate change and atmospheric pollution....if its anything like his NBN policy he'll be dead and buried long before the Libs get back into power No he won't, he'll be lorded as the mesiah. STUPID is in the majority ATM
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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #249 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:16pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:09pm:

I cant wait for Abbotts policy announcement on climate change and atmospheric pollution....if its anything like his NBN policy he'll be dead and buried long before the Libs get back into power Grin

No he won't, he'll be lorded as the mesiah.

STUPID is in the majority ATM Angry

I wouldnt be to sure of that..now the focus is on him becoming PM he's gotta do more than just sprout rubbish and accusations.

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #250 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:18pm

adelcrow wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:16pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:09pm:

I cant wait for Abbotts policy announcement on climate change and atmospheric pollution....if its anything like his NBN policy he'll be dead and buried long before the Libs get back into power Grin

No he won't, he'll be lorded as the mesiah.

STUPID is in the majority ATM Angry

I wouldnt be to sure of that..now the focus is on him becoming PM he's gotta do more than just sprout rubbish and accusations.

all he has to do is shut up and he'll most likely win. If he opens his mouth he'll risk losing the election.

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #251 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:19pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 1:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 11:14am:

And as usual,they are unwilling to accept that the carbon tax adn the ETS are unwanted by a notable majority of voters

Proof?

A notable amount of voters wanted it in 07. - Rudd elected
Not enough didn't in 10 - Tony failed

So if all your relying on for your "Notable" majority is the so called broken promise Sunrise youtube & the fact we got a hung parliament, excuse me if I doubt.

Anything more solid?

the question of the carbon tax/ETS has been polled repeatedly over the past few years. the results always show a signficant majority opposing it.

Want to link some of those results?

Don't bother if they are Murdoch daily rag online crap.

I can't seem to remember any sort of significant poll of merit producing your Notable Majority.

it was galaxy of newspoll or the like. I could research it but Im surprised that you question that the carbon tax hs been polled and found to be exceedingly unpopular and not wanted. not even labot pretends that it is popular or wanted by the majority. after all, it is the single issue that is killing the ALP even more than usual.

we 'labots' leave all the pretending to you.

The majority of Australians (and I mean a real majority, not Longy's pretend majority which can also be a minority if he agrees with them) have supported action on climate change for over a decade. Polls have consistently showed this. Federal Labor have had carbon pricing (this means either and ETS or tax) as core policy for many election cycles. Going into the 2007 election, both major parties went in with an ETS as core policy. At the time Tony Abbott was talking real economics and explaining why a price on carbon was necessary and why a carbon tax was a better option than the coalition's policy at the time (an ETS).

It is pretty absurd to claim after all that, that the majority of Australians are opposed.

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #252 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:25pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:18pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:16pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:09pm:

I cant wait for Abbotts policy announcement on climate change and atmospheric pollution....if its anything like his NBN policy he'll be dead and buried long before the Libs get back into power Grin

No he won't, he'll be lorded as the mesiah.

STUPID is in the majority ATM Angry

I wouldnt be to sure of that..now the focus is on him becoming PM he's gotta do more than just sprout rubbish and accusations.

all he has to do is shut up and he'll most likely win. If he opens his mouth he'll risk losing the election.

And there lies the problem...he now has to come up with real policies and a real vision for the country.
Like his reffo policy.."Its on a need to know basis and the media and the people dont need to know" Grin

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #253 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:27pm

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 1:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 11:14am:

And as usual,they are unwilling to accept that the carbon tax adn the ETS are unwanted by a notable majority of voters

Proof?

A notable amount of voters wanted it in 07. - Rudd elected
Not enough didn't in 10 - Tony failed

So if all your relying on for your "Notable" majority is the so called broken promise Sunrise youtube & the fact we got a hung parliament, excuse me if I doubt.

Anything more solid?

the question of the carbon tax/ETS has been polled repeatedly over the past few years. the results always show a signficant majority opposing it.

Want to link some of those results?

Don't bother if they are Murdoch daily rag online crap.

I can't seem to remember any sort of significant poll of merit producing your Notable Majority.

it was galaxy of newspoll or the like. I could research it but Im surprised that you question that the carbon tax hs been polled and found to be exceedingly unpopular and not wanted. not even labot pretends that it is popular or wanted by the majority. after all, it is the single issue that is killing the ALP even more than usual.

we 'labots' leave all the pretending to you.

The majority of Australians (and I mean a real majority, not Longy's pretend majority which can also be a minority if he agrees with them) have supported action on climate change for over a decade. Polls have consistently showed this. Federal Labor have had carbon pricing (this means either and ETS or tax) as core policy for many election cycles. Going into the 2007 election, both major parties went in with an ETS as core policy. At the time Tony Abbott was talking real economics and explaining why a price on carbon was necessary and why a carbon tax was a better option than the coalition's policy at the time (an ETS).

It is pretty absurd to claim after all that, that the majority of Australians are opposed.

I agree, like I said, best we leave the pretending to pippylonglooser.

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #254 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 5:28pm

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this CT/ETS argument is a furphy. virtually nobody distinguishes between them out there in voter land

I do. So does Tony Abbott. So does every Australian who objects to Julia Gillard choosing a carbon tax despite her promise to put a price on carbon without a tax. All the people banging their heads in frustration at the inability to negotiate an international ETS are starting to realise how much simpler a tax would be. It would require no agreement between nations other than a minimum level for the local tax. There are several organisations out there promoting a carbon tax.

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claiming that labor has a mandate now for apolicy they took the opposiite of to the elction and which is rejected by a wide margin of voters

I challenge you to put a rational argument together for what the mandate of the last election outcome was, without resorting to insisting you know what voters really want. You have tried, but every step of the way you merely highlight your own hypocrisy. You laughably resorted to redefining majority to mean minority. So that you could claim a majority and thus a mandate.

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