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Reply #225 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 10:20am

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 9:50am:

skippy. wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

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skippy. wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 10:35am:

I can't be bothered reading the abuse and whine that comes out of longwhines keyboard, can someone just update me as to how he has explained away phony tony ignoring Rudds mandate while demanding Labor acknowledge a perceived phony tony mandate, please?

Abbott didnt get the opportunity to vote on anything, so you cant say one way or the other.

Who knows, Abbott might have changed his mind when it came to the crunch. Therefore you can only say one way or the other after a vote is counted.

No vote. No count. Labors failure.

Likewise it would be liberals failure if they dont put the carbon tax to a vote, even if they think others will not support it.

After the vote, we will see who goes against mandates, not before.

Abbott ignored Rudds mandate by refusing to support it, why should Labor support phony tony?

They dont have to, but we will see who goes against mandates when it is voted on. Having the balls to put up for vote, a policy that not all support, will allow for a DD if wanted and will show the people that labor goes against mandates.

Anything other than a vote and not putting up the policy is just another failure of labor. No conviction.

Another imbecile that thinks mandates only apply to the coalition.

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #226 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 10:33am

skippy. wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 10:20am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 9:50am:

skippy. wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 9:25am:

skippy. wrote on Apr 5^th, 2013 at 10:35am:

I can't be bothered reading the abuse and whine that comes out of longwhines keyboard, can someone just update me as to how he has explained away phony tony ignoring Rudds mandate while demanding Labor acknowledge a perceived phony tony mandate, please?

Abbott didnt get the opportunity to vote on anything, so you cant say one way or the other.

Who knows, Abbott might have changed his mind when it came to the crunch. Therefore you can only say one way or the other after a vote is counted.

No vote. No count. Labors failure.

Likewise it would be liberals failure if they dont put the carbon tax to a vote, even if they think others will not support it.

After the vote, we will see who goes against mandates, not before.

Abbott ignored Rudds mandate by refusing to support it, why should Labor support phony tony?

They dont have to, but we will see who goes against mandates when it is voted on. Having the balls to put up for vote, a policy that not all support, will allow for a DD if wanted and will show the people that labor goes against mandates.

Anything other than a vote and not putting up the policy is just another failure of labor. No conviction.

Another imbecile that thinks mandates only apply to the coalition.

Its only fair that if the liberals voted against a mandate, then labor should be able to.

The only problem is backlash from the public. Abbott didnt seem to get any backlash over not voting for a mandate. Will labor. We will see. but I am pretty sure they will, only if they lose the next election by a landslide.

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #227 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 11:50am So in progs eyes Labor will get a backlash for voting against something they already won a mandate for back in 2007 , wow, no wonder you're known as the conga line of numpties.
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Johnny New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36 Gender:	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #228 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 12:30pm Irrespective of who has power in the senate Skip,or the mandate to govern...despite nut-case Bob Browns promise to ensure a Carbon Tax prevails long after Labor loses the 2013 election .... IT's FINISHED! Even more so now in light of the zip-file Climategate 3.0 and it's password having been released recently.
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Reply #229 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 12:41pm

Johnny wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 12:30pm:

Irrespective of who has power in the senate Skip,or the mandate to govern...despite nut-case Bob Browns promise to ensure a Carbon Tax prevails long after Labor loses the 2013 election .... IT's FINISHED!

Even more so now in light of the zip-file Climategate 3.0 and it's password having been released recently.

it will finish after the election and it will become an ETS. That was always the plan

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Reply #230 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 12:52pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Johnny wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 12:30pm:

Irrespective of who has power in the senate Skip,or the mandate to govern...despite nut-case Bob Browns promise to ensure a Carbon Tax prevails long after Labor loses the 2013 election .... IT's FINISHED!

Even more so now in light of the zip-file Climategate 3.0 and it's password having been released recently.

it will finish after the election and it will become an ETS. That was always the plan

I doubt even an ETS will be implemented, given the support Liberals had for an ETS was before the Climategate scandal exposed climate frauds at the CRU just in time for a Copenhagen summit , 2009.

Since the condemning files containing CRU researchers emails were released by Wikileaks, Liberal have not expressed their intention to Tax a nation base on bogus science.

This has to be a good thing, yes?

So no, I don't think an ETS is likely.

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #231 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 12:56pm

skippy. wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 11:50am:

So in progs eyes Labor will get a backlash for voting against something they already won a mandate for back in 2007 , wow, no wonder you're known as the conga line of numpties. Sad

Hey your loss. I dont give a stuff if you dont like the idea of gillard being voted in on no carbon tax. Is that a mandate not to have a carbon tax. It certinly wasnt a mandate for an ETS.

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Reply #232 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm

Johnny wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Johnny wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 12:30pm:

Irrespective of who has power in the senate Skip,or the mandate to govern...despite nut-case Bob Browns promise to ensure a Carbon Tax prevails long after Labor loses the 2013 election .... IT's FINISHED!

Even more so now in light of the zip-file Climategate 3.0 and it's password having been released recently.

it will finish after the election and it will become an ETS. That was always the plan

I doubt even an ETS will be implemented, given the support Liberals had for an ETS was before the Climategate scandal exposed climate frauds at the CRU just in time for a Copenhagen summit , 2009.

Since the condemning files containing CRU researchers emails were released by Wikileaks, Liberal have not expressed their intention to Tax a nation base on bogus science.

This has to be a good thing, yes?

So no, I don't think an ETS is likely.

Not only will Abbott not abolish the carbon tax, he will deliberately stall until the ETS kicks in so that he can then claim there is no longer a carbon tax.

I think you are kidding yourself if you think govt's of any persuasion will remove this cash cow once it's in. How many times were you told they would remove the GST ... I don't know about you but I still pay GST every fcuken time I buy something.

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Reply #233 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 1:13pm

The Greens and have been repeatedly calling for “One World Government” with “one vote one value”. Can you please explain to Australians why they should forfeit their sovereignty to the Chinese and Indians, who would have the numbers to impose their systems on us in our region – all but abolishing social welfare, human rights, basic freedoms and turning Australia into a quasi police state?

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Liberal will repeal the Carbon Tax during their term in office.

Guaranteed!

They are stuck with the Greens until 2014, but given Australia, especially Tasmania have had more than their fill of the Greens, they wont have much of a say once they lose their power in the senate.

The Greens lose their power in the senate Mid 2014.

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Reply #234 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 1:13pm

Johnny wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

The Greens have been repeatedly calling for “One World Government” with “one vote one value”. Can you please explain to Australians why they should forfeit their sovereignty to the Chinese and Indians, who would have the numbers to impose their systems on us in our region – all but abolishing social welfare, human rights, basic freedoms and turning Australia into a quasi police state?

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I cant post the link to the above, but if you google it, you should be able to find the transcript.
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Liberal will repeal the Carbon Tax during their term in office.

Guaranteed!

They are stuck with the Greens until 2014, but given Australia, especially Tasmania have had more than their fill of the Greens, they wont have much of a say once they lose their power in the senate.

The Greens lose their power in the senate Mid 2014.

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #235 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 1:14pm

Johnny wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

The Greens and have been repeatedly calling for “One World Government” with “one vote one value”. Can you please explain to Australians why they should forfeit their sovereignty to the Chinese and Indians, who would have the numbers to impose their systems on us in our region – all but abolishing social welfare, human rights, basic freedoms and turning Australia into a quasi police state?

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I cant post the link to the above, but if you google it, you should be able to find the transcript.
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Liberal will repeal the Carbon Tax during their term in office.

Guaranteed!

They are stuck with the Greens until 2014, but given Australia, especially Tasmania have had more than their fill of the Greens, they wont have much of a say once they lose their power in the senate.

The Greens lose their power in the senate Mid 2014.

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good luck with that!

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Reply #236 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 1:17pm

It's a fact, the Greens power in the senate ( which expires mid 2014) is all that's stopping anyone, even Labor repealing the Carbon Tax at present, in fact, if Labor thought they could win by doing so, they'd give it a crack themselves I think...lol, but they made their bed, made their deal with the Greens so....

Tough luck!
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Reply #237 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 1:17pm

Johnny wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

It's a fact, the Greens power in the senate ( which expires mid 2014) is all that's stopping anyone, even Labor repealing the Carbon Tax at present, in fact, if Labor thought they could win the election by doing so, they'd give it a crack themselves I think...lol, but they made their bed, made their deal with the Greens so....

Tough luck!
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Reply #238 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 7:30pm

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The only problem is backlash from the public. Abbott didnt seem to get any backlash over not voting for a mandate. Will labor. We will see. but I am pretty sure they will, only if they lose the next election by a landslide.

Parties get backlashes for not doing what the people want. Not for missing some kind of mandate. People seem to forget this. No-one who wants a carbon tax is going to vote against it because they feel sorry for the whingers. The whole mandate thing was another pointless longy windup, nothing more. Why would someone carry on like that about a mandate for repealing the tax when it has a short sunset clause already?

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Irrespective of who has power in the senate Skip,or the mandate to govern...despite nut-case Bob Browns promise to ensure a Carbon Tax prevails long after Labor loses the 2013 election .... IT's FINISHED!

Johnny, I think the temporary carbon tax was actually Greens policy. It is already written into law that it will change to an ETS in 2015-2016. It makes Abbott look like a bit of a goose promising to get rid of it when all he has to do to achieve that promise is sit back and wait.

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I doubt even an ETS will be implemented

It already has. The legislative framework for the tax is actually that of an ETS, with a temporary fixed price plastered on.

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Since the condemning files containing CRU researchers emails were released by Wikileaks, Liberal have not expressed their intention to Tax a nation base on bogus science.

Except that Abbott has backflipped from science denier to the mainstream position.

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Reply #239 - Apr 9^th, 2013 at 11:14am

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 7:30pm:

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The only problem is backlash from the public. Abbott didnt seem to get any backlash over not voting for a mandate. Will labor. We will see. but I am pretty sure they will, only if they lose the next election by a landslide.

Parties get backlashes for not doing what the people want. Not for missing some kind of mandate. People seem to forget this. No-one who wants a carbon tax is going to vote against it because they feel sorry for the whingers. The whole mandate thing was another pointless longy windup, nothing more. Why would someone carry on like that about a mandate for repealing the tax when it has a short sunset clause already?

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Irrespective of who has power in the senate Skip,or the mandate to govern...despite nut-case Bob Browns promise to ensure a Carbon Tax prevails long after Labor loses the 2013 election .... IT's FINISHED!

Johnny, I think the temporary carbon tax was actually Greens policy. It is already written into law that it will change to an ETS in 2015-2016. It makes Abbott look like a bit of a goose promising to get rid of it when all he has to do to achieve that promise is sit back and wait.

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I doubt even an ETS will be implemented

It already has. The legislative framework for the tax is actually that of an ETS, with a temporary fixed price plastered on.

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Since the condemning files containing CRU researchers emails were released by Wikileaks, Liberal have not expressed their intention to Tax a nation base on bogus science.

Except that Abbott has backflipped from science denier to the mainstream position.

this CT/ETS argument is a furphy. virtually nobody distinguishes between them out there in voter land. Here we have the usual suspects, the usual morons, claiming that labor has a mandate now for apolicy they took the opposiite of to the elction and which is rejected by a wide margin of voters.

And as usual,they are unwilling to accept that the carbon tax adn the ETS are unwanted by a notable majority of voters

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