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Reply #75 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 8:12am
 
Sorry to burst your bubble, but come the revolution, you'll be dead.
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Reply #76 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 10:23am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 6:16am:
Grey wrote on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 6:40pm:
Come the revolution Morning, come the revolution  Smiley Kiss



Two generations of brainwashing and indoctrination will take time to reverse, but it's happening.


We need Marxist indoctrination and brainwashing don't we. That's the best kind!
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Reply #77 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 12:47pm
 

This should be a good holiday read, just downloaded to my ebook reader. Read United States Government as Australian government, we are one and the same.......unfortunately.

We must be ever vigilant when dealing with bureaucracy. Never trust your government, they don't really want what's best for you.

'Tis true what they say....

Freedom Aint Free

Freedom Ain't Free goes beyond the partisan rhetoric of the day to explain how our current government is removing rights in the name of protecting them. Jay Mcfarland cuts through today's emotional arguments and clearly defines how a free society is supposed to function, and what price we each must pay in order to maintain our freedoms. Through humorous personal experiences and undeniable logic, Freedom Ain't Free clearly identifies the frustration that most Americans feel with their government and then goes even further by presenting new solutions to some of the most difficult challenges of our day.
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Reply #78 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 2:06pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 10:23am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 6:16am:
Grey wrote on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 6:40pm:
Come the revolution Morning, come the revolution  Smiley Kiss


Two generations of brainwashing and indoctrination will take time to reverse, but it's happening.


We need Marxist indoctrination and brainwashing don't we. That's the best kind!


Well I've made it clear that Anarchism is anti revolution as such. And it certainly has not time for Marxism. Making blueprints for human society is just plain sillyness. It's predicting the patterns caused by flushing while pissing in the bowl.

Get the structure for co-operation right. A structure that allows for all viewpoints to be seen and heard, then you're getting somewhere.
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Reply #79 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 2:34pm
 
Grey wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 2:06pm:

Well I've made it clear that Anarchism is anti revolution as such. And it certainly has not time for Marxism. Making blueprints for human society is just plain sillyness. It's predicting the patterns caused by flushing while pissing in the bowl.

Get the structure for co-operation right. A structure that allows for all viewpoints to be seen and heard, then you're getting somewhere.




grey,

In mankind's history, has there ever been a community [or society] based upon the 'Anarchism' version that you would aspire to see established ?

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Reply #80 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 3:28pm
 
Grey wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 2:06pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 10:23am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 6:16am:
Grey wrote on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 6:40pm:
Come the revolution Morning, come the revolution  Smiley Kiss


Two generations of brainwashing and indoctrination will take time to reverse, but it's happening.


We need Marxist indoctrination and brainwashing don't we. That's the best kind!


Well I've made it clear that Anarchism is anti revolution as such. And it certainly has not time for Marxism.


My comment was directed at Pansi. It was kind of ironic that she claims others are brainwashed, but then sprouts stuff verbatim from Green Left Weekly and the Socialist Alliance.

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Making blueprints for human society is just plain sillyness. It's predicting the patterns caused by flushing while pissing in the bowl.



Many people want blueprints. This is why religion and celebrity lifestyles are so popular.


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Reply #81 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 3:45pm
 
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Many people want blueprints. This is why religion and celebrity lifestyles are so popular.


Smiley Sure, it's a fair point, but what people want isn't necessarily what's good for them. That's not to say somebody else should make up their mind for them. In fact that's the problem; people aren't used to taking responsibility for their own society. A 5 second sound bite - sounds good to me - another vote for stoopid.

But if people spend some time in serious discussion of an issue, and they're exposed to the conflicting arguments, the vast majority will make relatively good decisions. Seen it done it. 
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Reply #82 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 3:51pm
 

Sprouts stuff verbatim.....yeah right.

Green Left Weekly....I have never read it and as far as I can remember I have never quoted from their site.

Socialist Alliance......just one time I posted the five principles of the party.

If you had have said GetUp.org, you would have been more near the mark because I do post some of their campaigns on the forum.

Actually, a lot of stuff I post is from RT, a Russian state owned site, that's right, right leaning, but you probably still think Russia is communist.

You get confused when you put people in boxes.
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Reply #83 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 4:00pm
 
Grey wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 3:45pm:
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Many people want blueprints. This is why religion and celebrity lifestyles are so popular.


Smiley Sure, it's a fair point, but what people want isn't necessarily what's good for them. That's not to say somebody else should make up their mind for them. In fact that's the problem; people aren't used to taking responsibility for their own society. A 5 second sound bite - sounds good to me - another vote for stoopid.

But if people spend some time in serious discussion of an issue, and they're exposed to the conflicting arguments, the vast majority will make relatively good decisions. Seen it done it. 



I suspect we are back to one of my original points: What constitutes an autonomous decision?
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Reply #84 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 4:02pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 3:51pm:
Sprouts stuff verbatim.....yeah right.

Green Left Weekly....I have never read it and as far as I can remember I have never quoted from their site.

Socialist Alliance......just one time I posted the five principles of the party.

If you had have said GetUp.org, you would have been more near the mark because I do post some of their campaigns on the forum.

Actually, a lot of stuff I post is from RT, a Russian state owned site, that's right, right leaning, but you probably still think Russia is communist.

You get confused when you put people in boxes.


You put yourself in a box.

You're anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-defence force, anti-authority (except for those you agree with), anti-Church.
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Reply #85 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 4:25pm
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 2:34pm:
Grey wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 2:06pm:

Well I've made it clear that Anarchism is anti revolution as such. And it certainly has not time for Marxism. Making blueprints for human society is just plain sillyness. It's predicting the patterns caused by flushing while pissing in the bowl.

Get the structure for co-operation right. A structure that allows for all viewpoints to be seen and heard, then you're getting somewhere.




grey,

In mankind's history, has there ever been a community [or society] based upon the 'Anarchism' version that you would aspire to see established ?



Yes and no, any Anarchist collective is free to make up its own rules. Anarchism is purely about structure. Frankly if that structure were to be used throughout Australia tomorrow, I think the immediate effect would be a lurch to the right.

But that doesn't matter to me. Because my belief is that the structure would enable society to progress in a logical and sustainable manner from that point on.

I would urge you to read 'Homage to Catalonia' - George Orwell. Orwell was very much the product of a British upper middle class. But he took a bullet in the neck for Anarchy, very nearly dieing obviously, but was still willing to rejoin his militia comrades on recovery. His impressions were, -
“There was much in it that I did not understand, in some ways I did not even like it, but I recognized it immediately as a state of affairs worth fighting for.”
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Reply #86 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 4:37pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 4:00pm:
Grey wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 3:45pm:
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Many people want blueprints. This is why religion and celebrity lifestyles are so popular.


Smiley Sure, it's a fair point, but what people want isn't necessarily what's good for them. That's not to say somebody else should make up their mind for them. In fact that's the problem; people aren't used to taking responsibility for their own society. A 5 second sound bite - sounds good to me - another vote for stoopid.

But if people spend some time in serious discussion of an issue, and they're exposed to the conflicting arguments, the vast majority will make relatively good decisions. Seen it done it. 



I suspect we are back to one of my original points: What constitutes an autonomous decision?


Taking a dump?  Smiley Obviously if you're making a decision as a collective, then individual autonomy is restricted. Autonomy is always a relative term. But a system in which you are free to make your point, consider others, and make your unfettered vote, obviously grants a lot more individual autonomy than one where you are answerable to a WHIP  Grin
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Reply #87 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 5:49pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 4:02pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 3:51pm:
Sprouts stuff verbatim.....yeah right.

Green Left Weekly....I have never read it and as far as I can remember I have never quoted from their site.

Socialist Alliance......just one time I posted the five principles of the party.

If you had have said GetUp.org, you would have been more near the mark because I do post some of their campaigns on the forum.

Actually, a lot of stuff I post is from RT, a Russian state owned site, that's right, right leaning, but you probably still think Russia is communist.

You get confused when you put people in boxes.


You put yourself in a box.

You're anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-defence force, anti-authority (except for those you agree with), anti-Church.



I'm pro a lot of things too.

So that makes me what?

Just me......forming my own opinions through observation, listening, research and thinking.
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Reply #88 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 6:42pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 4:02pm:
You're anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-defence force, anti-authority (except for those you agree with), anti-Church.


I'm anti-american, in quite a lot of areas, like foreign policy. I'm anti what capitalism has become, though the issue amuses me. I'm certainly against those 'authorities' who'd dare disagree with me, (I suspect you'd be anti those that disagree with you too).

Please play the post not the poster guys or it'll get messy. We Anarchists are very tidy people y'know.  Grin
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Reply #89 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 7:36pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 5:49pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 4:02pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 3:51pm:
Sprouts stuff verbatim.....yeah right.

Green Left Weekly....I have never read it and as far as I can remember I have never quoted from their site.

Socialist Alliance......just one time I posted the five principles of the party.

If you had have said GetUp.org, you would have been more near the mark because I do post some of their campaigns on the forum.

Actually, a lot of stuff I post is from RT, a Russian state owned site, that's right, right leaning, but you probably still think Russia is communist.

You get confused when you put people in boxes.


You put yourself in a box.

You're anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-defence force, anti-authority (except for those you agree with), anti-Church.



I'm pro a lot of things too.

So that makes me what?

Just me......forming my own opinions through observation, listening, research and thinking.


So how do you know others don't do the same - form opinions through observation, listening, research and thinking? Why is it brainwashing or indoctrination if they don't agree with your viewpoints?
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