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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Anarchism Reply #45 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 1:23pm ... wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 1:20pm: Not every dictator is a communist. Although despot is a better word. Can you name a despot you'd rather live under?
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Anarchism Reply #46 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 1:24pm Can you name an anarchist regime you'd rather live under?
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Anarchism Reply #47 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 1:27pm ... wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 1:24pm: Can you name an anarchist regime you'd rather live under? I didn't say I'd rather live under an anarchist regime, that was you with regard to tyrants.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Anarchism Reply #48 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 1:34pm Hey if you think the flavour of tyranny we live under is the best, more power to you. I did say it was a matter of taste.
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6492 Gender:	Re: Anarchism Reply #49 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 1:38pm We have a type of anarchy now. Some people get away with murder, theft and all sorts of crime yet they are protected by the law. 12 months of true anarchy would solve a lot of problems.
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Reply #50 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 2:06pm

... wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 1:09pm:

becasue I'd rather know who the tyrant is, as in a dictatorship, as opposed to having them practice their tyranny by proxy, as they do in democracy. Anarchism just hides under it's blanket and hysterically repeats "there are no tyrants, there are no tyrants." Until it is predictably overrun, by tyrants.

There'll always be tyranny, oppression and all that it's just a matter of taste as to what flavour of tyranny and oppression you prefer. The nature of man will always win out against the systems designed to harness it. Democracy, Monarchy, Communism, Anarchy - All systems lead to sh!t in the end.

"Right is only in question between equals, and while the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must."

Thucydides (460-400 B.C.) Greek Historian

Thucydides got it right imo.

No way, can an altruistic thought or intent, in any [few] individuals overcome the force of 'human nature' [selfish intent] in a majority.

'Wolves' will always seek to predate upon others weaker than themselves, particularly the sheep.

It is just our nature.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Anarchism Reply #51 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 2:58pm ... wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 1:34pm: Hey if you think the flavour of tyranny we live under is the best, more power to you. I did say it was a matter of taste. Can you name a despot you'd rather live under?
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Anarchism Reply #52 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 3:37pm Alexander Lukashenko. Why do you ask?
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Anarchism Reply #53 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 3:47pm ... wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 3:37pm: Alexander Lukashenko. Why Lukashenko?
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Anarchism Reply #54 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 3:49pm I like his moustache. And also Tito, because I like his name.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Anarchism Reply #55 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 3:56pm ... wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 3:49pm: I like his moustache. Guess it's Belarus or bust then?
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Anarchism Reply #56 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 3:59pm Hank Scorpio seemed like a nice despot to live under. Shame teh evil government took him down, as always.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Anarchism Reply #57 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 4:02pm ... wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 3:59pm: Hank Scorpio seemed like a nice despot to live under. Don't forget the powdered milk.
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Reply #58 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 4:24pm

... wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 8:52am:

Grey wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 12:31am:

Let me ask a question. Julia Gillard v Tony Abbott - how well is your system performing as far as choosing the right person to lead the country?

Who's system? Democracy is a dam joke. Not only that, it seems your "anarchism" is just a less effective version of it. 80% consensus as opposed to 51% - apart from that, identical.

identical - exept for the lack of gangs, rulers, hierarchies, bought favours, coercive behaviours, irresponsiblities and consumption madness. Identical - except nobody will ever vote for somebody they don't know from a bar of soap.

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Scenario: A warlord is advancing on the anarchists position, with conquest, rape and pillage on their agenda. The anarchists sit around trying to work out a hierarchy and consensus on the question "should we fight or should we flee?" They're still arguing when the warlords forces arrive and slaughter the men, rape the women and enslave the children. The end.

And that is why there are no anarchist regimes/armies.

Let me give you a tip Paulson, think first type afterwards.

I've already answered this, but I understand that with an attention span as short as yours you are liable to forget what you've said and the answer you received just a few posts ago. So I'll repeat in other words.

Anarchism and militarism is an uneasy, almost paradoxical alliance. Yet Anarchists are not pacifists, Anarchists are always willing to defend what they've built. Anarchism is accepting of leadership, not rulership. In the Spanish civil war 1936-39 the Anarchists fought outstandingly well, despite the refusal of Europe to supply them arms. They fought Fascists supplied and augmented by Germany and Italy, and Bolsheviks supplied by Russia. For an account of those times read Orwell's 'Homage to Catalonia' or watch 'Land and Freedom' by Ken loach, (A truly great movie, on any account).

An even more convincing story of Anarchists fighting ability is the story of the Ukrainian Peasant Army of the 1920's, under the leadership of Nestor Makhno.

In Britain Anarchists led the fight against Fascism, organising the Battle of Cable street, when neither the Communist Party or the Jewish Board of deputies were willing to confront Mosley's blackshirts.

Even today International Anarchism confronted the German Neo Nazis when they wanted to m,arch across the border into Poland to celebrate Crystal Nicht' . Vilently refused to allow Nazis to join the protest against globalism in Prague, and here in Australia Anarchists tore down the fences of Woomera.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/25602

Anarchists have no problem organising when they want to.

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Anarchism Reply #59 - Apr 1^st, 2013 at 4:27pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 10:10am: If there was a natural evolution from kings to anarchism then we would nearly be there already. Patience
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