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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Media needs mumediagenic Reply #15 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 11:29am Gillard should just hand out hammers and nails for her political coffin, the moron.
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Reply #16 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 11:30am

FriYAY wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 11:29am:

Gillard should just hand out hammers and nails for her political coffin, the moron.

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Gary Morgan says:

“Today’s Morgan Poll shows the L-NP (57.5%, up 3%) increasing their lead over the ALP (42.5%, down 3%) on a two-party preferred basis despite Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s week-long stay in Western Sydney — a key battleground for this September’s election.

“The continuing leadership speculation about Prime Minister Gillard, and a possible return to the leadership of former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, continues to provide a massive distraction for the Government as it tries to improve its standing in the electorate.

“In addition, on the weekend the L-NP won a resounding victory in the WA State Election with an approximate two-party preferred result of L-NP (58%) cf. ALP (42%). During the campaign WA Opposition Labor Party Leader Mark McGowan was keen to distance the State Labor Party from the Federal Government. This is not surprising as this week’s Morgan Poll shows the Federal L-NP (69%) cf. ALP (31%) has an even stronger two-party preferred lead in WA

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Media needs mumediagenic Reply #17 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 12:07pm The hysterical reaction of the Smellograph shows how low the press has sunk.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Media needs mumediagenic Reply #18 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 1:04pm The Press reflect public opinion, they do not drive it.
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Media needs mumediagenic Reply #19 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 2:04pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 1:04pm: The Press reflect public opinion, they do not drive it. Garbage! Once, that was the case. Not now.
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Reply #20 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 2:23pm

Kat wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

The Press reflect public opinion, they do not drive it.

Garbage!

Once, that was the case.

Not now.

You can lead a horse to water Kat, but the horse will drink or not.

Does a member of the Press stand over an Australian when he is in the election booth voting?

If people are led by the Press, then what does that say for your faith in the people?

I like to think the citizens decide on their own who they will vote for.
I know I do.

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Reply #21 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 3:02pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 10:19am:

Not sure where mumadiagenic came from, think my computer made it up.

Yes I was a journo for 25 years that is why I don't trust the bastards, I know them too well.

Of course the media is screaming about press freedom. That shows how scared they are. Regulation doesn't have to be a threat to press freedom. All it requires is that they adhere to ethical standards and can be caned if they do not.

Self regulation is the cave into which any industry retreats when threatened. If the media believes in self reg why weren't they doing it already?

many on her doubt your claim to be an ex-journo and I ahve to say that your OP adds weight to that disbelief.

Conroys media legislation is aimed squarely at a media that they think isnt treating them fairly. it is just a typical ALP-style punishment for a media that isnt praising them. it is pititful. As one CEO said, where is the example of an event that shows the media cant be trusted or speaks wrongly? Appointing what is essentially a government censor is death to press freedom.

If you were indeed a journo it was probably for the local rag. it is hard to imagine any real journo supporting govt censorship.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Media needs mumediagenic Reply #22 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 3:04pm Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 12:07pm: The hysterical reaction of the Smellograph shows how low the press has sunk. remember that under the original proposed rules this website would have been subject to those same media rules. would you like that as well, comrade?
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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Media needs mumediagenic Reply #23 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 3:32pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 1:04pm: The Press reflect public opinion, they do not drive it. If that was the case then all the press would be expressing the same opinion. They dont, so therefore they cannot be reflecting public opinion.
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Reply #24 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 5:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 3:02pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 10:19am:

Not sure where mumadiagenic came from, think my computer made it up.

Yes I was a journo for 25 years that is why I don't trust the bastards, I know them too well.

Of course the media is screaming about press freedom. That shows how scared they are. Regulation doesn't have to be a threat to press freedom. All it requires is that they adhere to ethical standards and can be caned if they do not.

Self regulation is the cave into which any industry retreats when threatened. If the media believes in self reg why weren't they doing it already?

many on her doubt your claim to be an ex-journo and I ahve to say that your OP adds weight to that disbelief.

Conroys media legislation is aimed squarely at a media that they think isnt treating them fairly. it is just a typical ALP-style punishment for a media that isnt praising them. it is pititful. As one CEO said, where is the example of an event that shows the media cant be trusted or speaks wrongly? Appointing what is essentially a government censor is death to press freedom.

If you were indeed a journo it was probably for the local rag. it is hard to imagine any real journo supporting govt censorship.

I started as a cadet reporter on the Napier Daily Telegraph in 1965. I was then headhunted by The Dominion and worked with that paper first in Hawke's 's Bay, then in Wellington where I served as regional editor and then industrial reporter.I served two terms as National President of the NZJU in the late 70s.

Anyone who doubts my credentials only has to Google around, I'll be there.

This is not about government censorship, that is just media spin. It is about newspapers acting ethically and many papers here don't do that and they know it. They are pissing their pants and it serves them right.

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Reply #25 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 5:30pm

You can wrap it in pretty packaging, any way you like but censorship is censorship. And there are going to be faceless goons out there who will decide what is and is not O.K. for public consumption.

It is straight out of the book 1984.

It this sh.t gets through we are f....d!

And Peter you should hang your head in shame as a former journalist, I can't believe your stance, incredible!

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Reply #26 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:17pm

If this were censorship I would oppose it.

The media thinks everyone should be accountable to them while they are accountable to nobody.

A quarter of a century in the industry taught me to smell out the truth and separate it from the lies.

I won't be influenced by political spin or media hysteria. I make up my own mind based on considerable experience.

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Media needs mumediagenic Reply #27 - Mar 14^th, 2013 at 5:41am I am still waiting for someone to explain how the government's plans are an attack on press freedom.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Media needs mumediagenic Reply #28 - Mar 14^th, 2013 at 8:23am Can I ask if a respected ethical journalist in the 1970s in NZ, what the politics of the Republic of South Africa has to do with you? I can see you were critical of the Republic. Surely a respected journalist stays out of matters that have nothing to do with him? Your own history weakens your argument here.
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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Media needs mumediagenic Reply #29 - Mar 14^th, 2013 at 8:34am As well as being a respected journalist (thank you for the compliment) I am also a human being. It is in this latter role than I hated apartheid South Africa. In my role as a journo I did not take part in any of the demonstrations against the Springboks in 1981 and reported on them factually and impartially.
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