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Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:34pm
 
The lefties on this board and elsewhere love to push the line that righties are the only ones who are tax evaders

It seems the left are also well versed at it as well



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A tax expert says it is likely to be difficult to prosecute Eddie Obeid over tax evasion despite revelations the former Labor powerbroker and his family put millions of dollars through trusts to avoid paying tax.

The Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) has heard the Obeid family filtered millions through a system of trusts and businesses designed to minimise tax.

The money was used for a wide a range of expenses, from everyday household bills to purchasing million-dollar houses in Sydney.

Richard Krever, a professor of taxation at Monash University, says the trust system is "standard practice for tax minimisation".

"Al Capone went to prison because he evaded taxes. The tax person found he had all these assets and hadn't declared it," he told Four Corners.

"In this case, nobody's evaded taxes. They've simply used the rules that Australia allows high income persons to use to avoid taxes. They played the rules properly.

"The tax commissioner might find that some of the loans, some of the documentation, may have had the wrong date or might be some technical problem and there might be some real small technical issue, but... there's no Al Capone here because no law has been broken."

Professor Krever says Australia is one of the few countries to allow trusts to be used in this way and that consecutive federal governments have failed to tackle the issue.

"There'll be Cook Islands, Cayman, there'll be small micro countries that still allow this, but almost all developed countries have rules," he said.

"It's probably a unique phenomenon in Australia because of the unique political culture and the unique social culture.Â

"The same reason Australia, for example, has no wealth transfer tax. It's part of our lottery mentality that we can't tax rich people because some day I might be rich."Â

Conspiracy claims

Mr Obeid and his sons, along with former NSW mining minister Ian Macdonald, are of a multi-million-dollar criminal conspiracy over a state-issued coal exploration licence.

The licence was issued over the Mount Penny area in the Bylong Valley, four hours north-west of Sydney, that included three farms owned by the Obeid family and their friends.

The coal exploration licence was ultimately awarded to the Cascade Coal company and the Obeids negotiated to secure a share of the venture.

Senior Labor figures have spoken out bluntly about the investigation, .

They have also blamed former party officials for allowing Mr Obeid to wield enormous influence in past New South Wales governments.

"It is breathtaking the wreckage he has done," Foreign Minister Bob Carr told Four Corners.

Senior federal Labor senator from NSW John Faulkner told Four Corners it is likely the Obeid scandal will have an impact on the coming federal election in the state, where the party is battling to hold onto marginal seats.

"Labor's standing in the state of New South Wales has been very, very significantly damaged by the revelations at ICAC and it would be very surprising if that didn't have an impact federally," Senator Faulkner said.

In a blunt assessment, he added Mr Obeid was allowed to operate behind the scenes where his power in the NSW party went unchecked.

"I've never met him, never spoken to him and I've never heard him make a public speech, but regardless of all that, he ran the New South Wales Labor Party and ran Labor governments in New South Wales," he said.
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Reply #1 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:36pm
 
Gumpy, didn't you once say it wasn't tax evasion? but rather tax minimisation?
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Reply #2 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:35am
 
Maqqa wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:34pm:
The lefties on this board and elsewhere love to push the line that righties are the only ones who are tax evaders

It seems the left are also well versed at it as well



Quote:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/16344145/obeid-tax-evasion-claims-unl...
A tax expert says it is likely to be difficult to prosecute Eddie Obeid over tax evasion despite revelations the former Labor powerbroker and his family put millions of dollars through trusts to avoid paying tax.

The Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) has heard the Obeid family filtered millions through a system of trusts and businesses designed to minimise tax.

The money was used for a wide a range of expenses, from everyday household bills to purchasing million-dollar houses in Sydney.

Richard Krever, a professor of taxation at Monash University, says the trust system is "standard practice for tax minimisation".

"Al Capone went to prison because he evaded taxes. The tax person found he had all these assets and hadn't declared it," he told Four Corners.

"In this case, nobody's evaded taxes. They've simply used the rules that Australia allows high income persons to use to avoid taxes. They played the rules properly.

"The tax commissioner might find that some of the loans, some of the documentation, may have had the wrong date or might be some technical problem and there might be some real small technical issue, but... there's no Al Capone here because no law has been broken."

Professor Krever says Australia is one of the few countries to allow trusts to be used in this way and that consecutive federal governments have failed to tackle the issue.

"There'll be Cook Islands, Cayman, there'll be small micro countries that still allow this, but almost all developed countries have rules," he said.

"It's probably a unique phenomenon in Australia because of the unique political culture and the unique social culture.Â

"The same reason Australia, for example, has no wealth transfer tax. It's part of our lottery mentality that we can't tax rich people because some day I might be rich."Â

Conspiracy claims

Mr Obeid and his sons, along with former NSW mining minister Ian Macdonald, are of a multi-million-dollar criminal conspiracy over a state-issued coal exploration licence.

The licence was issued over the Mount Penny area in the Bylong Valley, four hours north-west of Sydney, that included three farms owned by the Obeid family and their friends.

The coal exploration licence was ultimately awarded to the Cascade Coal company and the Obeids negotiated to secure a share of the venture.

Senior Labor figures have spoken out bluntly about the investigation, .

They have also blamed former party officials for allowing Mr Obeid to wield enormous influence in past New South Wales governments.

"It is breathtaking the wreckage he has done," Foreign Minister Bob Carr told Four Corners.

Senior federal Labor senator from NSW John Faulkner told Four Corners it is likely the Obeid scandal will have an impact on the coming federal election in the state, where the party is battling to hold onto marginal seats.

"Labor's standing in the state of New South Wales has been very, very significantly damaged by the revelations at ICAC and it would be very surprising if that didn't have an impact federally," Senator Faulkner said.

In a blunt assessment, he added Mr Obeid was allowed to operate behind the scenes where his power in the NSW party went unchecked.

"I've never met him, never spoken to him and I've never heard him make a public speech, but regardless of all that, he ran the New South Wales Labor Party and ran Labor governments in New South Wales," he said.


Obeid is hardly a leftie.  But thanks for proving our point for us, as usual dummy Smiley
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Reply #3 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:46am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:36pm:
Gumpy, didn't you once say it wasn't tax evasion? but rather tax minimisation?



I had to put it into stupid language so you could understand
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Reply #4 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 1:45am
 
So it's behaviour you actually condone, Maqqa.
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Reply #5 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 4:56am
 
Maqqa i would like a link to where anyone @ all has said that only liberal voters are tax evaders.

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Reply #6 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 6:48am
 
I agree some of these loopholes or legal tax avoiding  as we laughingly call it has to go...


I dont say the Obeids have cheated on this one.. ha.ha.. why the hell would they? greedy bastards..

watching 4corners last night....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

oh to see them in  jail.


sorry but Bob Carr did promote him he is stuck with that no matter how much wriggling he does,.
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Reply #7 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 7:09am
 
Unfortunately when I reire in a few years time, I won't get the old aged pension or most of the benefits that go with it.  So I legally pay as much money as salary sacrifice as I can, because my super funds my retirement.  However, I still pay my fair share of tax from my remaining salary to pay for those who need pensions and benefits.

Stopping people salary packaging into super will only increase the amount the government will have to pay to 'top up' those who now are eligible for that.  That now means all those other benefits that pensioners and low income workers enjoy will now be available to many more.

The original idea of super was to eventually make people self fund and reduce the impact on the government coffers in paying out old aged pensions and associated benefits.  If you reduce the salary packaging into super you defeat the purpose of that idea.

Rudd and Gillard's reduction in the amount one could salary package into super was a backward step
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Reply #8 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:13am
 
Maqqa wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:46am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:36pm:
Gumpy, didn't you once say it wasn't tax evasion? but rather tax minimisation?



I had to put it into stupid language so you could understand


you seem very proficient in stupid language ... it must be nice for you to not have to dig out the dictionary with every post, for once
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Reply #9 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:20am
 
Maqqa wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:46am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:36pm:
Gumpy, didn't you once say it wasn't tax evasion? but rather tax minimisation?



I had to put it into stupid language so you could understand



You write stupid very well and have done so for years.

Whoops - someone else thought the same thing.
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Reply #10 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:26am
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:20am:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:46am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:36pm:
Gumpy, didn't you once say it wasn't tax evasion? but rather tax minimisation?



I had to put it into stupid language so you could understand



You write stupid very well and have done so for years.

Whoops - someone else thought the same thing.



oh come on dna

I am only stooping to your level and you know it - maybe at current levels it's still too high for you
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Reply #11 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:35am
 
Maqqa wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:26am:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:20am:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:46am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:36pm:
Gumpy, didn't you once say it wasn't tax evasion? but rather tax minimisation?



I had to put it into stupid language so you could understand



You write stupid very well and have done so for years.

Whoops - someone else thought the same thing.



oh come on dna

I am only stooping to your level and you know it - maybe at current levels it's still too high for you



you can do it Gumpy ... my 3 yr old is doing a show and tell at pre school today ... he has a caterpiller with the ABC's on it and he is going to sing the ABC song to the class  ... once he has finished I'll get him to teach it to you if you like?
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Reply #12 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:39am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:35am:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:26am:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:20am:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:46am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:36pm:
Gumpy, didn't you once say it wasn't tax evasion? but rather tax minimisation?



I had to put it into stupid language so you could understand



You write stupid very well and have done so for years.

Whoops - someone else thought the same thing.



oh come on dna

I am only stooping to your level and you know it - maybe at current levels it's still too high for you



you can do it Gumpy ... my 3 yr old is doing a show and tell at pre school today ... he has a caterpiller with the ABC's on it and he is going to sing the ABC song to the class  ... once he has finished I'll get him to teach it to you if you like?



lets leave family out of it jacksh1t
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Reply #13 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:50am
 
Maqqa wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:39am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:35am:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:26am:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 9:20am:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:46am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:36pm:
Gumpy, didn't you once say it wasn't tax evasion? but rather tax minimisation?



I had to put it into stupid language so you could understand



You write stupid very well and have done so for years.

Whoops - someone else thought the same thing.



oh come on dna

I am only stooping to your level and you know it - maybe at current levels it's still too high for you



you can do it Gumpy ... my 3 yr old is doing a show and tell at preschool today ... he has a caterpiller with the ABC's on it and he is going to sing the ABC song to the class  ... once he has finished I'll get him to teach it to you if you like?



lets leave family out of it jacksh1t


A b c d e f g    h i j k l m n o p     q r s   t u v   w x y z ... now I know my ABC, next time won't you play with me ....


there you go gumpy ... practice, practice, practice
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Reply #14 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 11:05am
 
I would challenge anyone to state Obeid is anything other than a disgrace.

Though to be fair from what I have seen Federal Labor Ministers want nothing to do with it and Carr & Iemma are blaming each other for him.
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