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Abbott is right about carbon credits
Mar 10^th, 2013 at 11:36pm

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http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/16334828/billions-up-for-grabs/
The Tasmanian Government stands to gain billions of dollars in carbon credits from native forests earmarked for protection under the forest peace deal.

The Commonwealth has confirmed forests protected through the peace deal can be credited under the Carbon Farming Initiative.

Carbon stored in the trees is valued, and the credits traded on international markets to offset emissions.

Tasmania's Climate Change Minister Cassy O'Connor said carbon trading could bring huge benefits to the Tasmanian economy.

"We have forest carbon sequestration here that's very important to our national economy," she said.

Let me remind you leftards

Rudd ratified Kyoto - so Australia is now burdened with the Kyoto penalty.

This is why Gillard conspired with Brown to impose a carbon tax - so we can pay the penalty. The problem is - you have to keep collecting the tax for decades to pay the penalty

Abbott said his Direct Action Plan was a better long term alternative but Gillard said it won't work.

Abbott's plan is like having a money tree - but instead of money - it produce carbon credits.

And if you keep planting then it keeps producing credits that you can offset your Kyoto penalty but if you have excess - you can sell it.

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Re: Abbott is right about carbon credits
Reply #1 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 6:46am

I have often thought when people run many miles... for charity wouldnt it be better if they planted trees instead..

no offense but running walking cycling. really doesnt make any difference does it??? accept make money but people I am sure would gladly donate money to tree planting just the same..

trees being selective and supplied by the govt of course..no exploding gums in the city..lets do something positive... this country has many miles of almost barren land..

makes sense to me the planet will die without trees... yet we hear very little on replanting...

bugger carbon credits..that to me is another smoke and mirrors.... it looks like govt are doing something ..LOL>..yeah right!

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Reply #2 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 7:07am

Errrr.....You are wrong Macca.....Abbott has ruled out selling carbon credits on the International market Macca.....His direct action policy is completely paid for from consolidated revenue with no option to allow business to sell carbon credits on an International market as you claim.....Abbott's direct Action policy is a complete waste of money as it cannot possibly work against the current protocols....Storing carbon in soil is not counted towards emissions targets yet it accounts for 60% of the Coalitions reductions.....If Australia reaches it agreed target there is no penalty so it is important to embrace a policy that will work.....Under an Abbott Government Australia will not reach its emissions targets by 2020!!!

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Abbott is right about carbon credits Reply #3 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 7:10am You know a way of reducing emissions? NUCLEAR POWER. Accounts for over 60% of the US low emissions. Yet Aussies remain oblivious to this fact and sit on a tonne of uranium reserves. Insane.
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Re: Abbott is right about carbon credits
Reply #4 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 7:14am

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 6:46am:

I have often thought when people run many miles... for charity wouldnt it be better if they planted trees instead..

no offense but running walking cycling. really doesnt make any difference does it??? accept make money but people I am sure would gladly donate money to tree planting just the same..

trees being selective and supplied by the govt of course..no exploding gums in the city..lets do something positive... this country has many miles of almost barren land..

makes sense to me the planet will die without trees... yet we hear very little on replanting...

bugger carbon credits..that to me is another smoke and mirrors.... it looks like govt are doing something ..LOL>..yeah right!

Arid soil is not good for planting trees and someone must water them to keep them alive.....The amount of trees needed would also have to cover over 1/4 of Australia's land mass to achieve the reductions Abbott is claiming.....It simply will not work and will not happen!!!

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Read about the reality of Abbott's policy.....

http://theconversation.edu.au/will-the-oppositions-direct-action-plan-work-12309

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Abbott is right about carbon credits Reply #5 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 7:19am Got yourself one hell of a big-ass Liberal majority there in WA now Phil....
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60007 Here Gender:	Re: Abbott is right about carbon credits Reply #6 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 7:36am Abbott is right reminds me of the hell freezes over tour?
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60007 Here Gender:	Re: Abbott is right about carbon credits Reply #7 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 7:37am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 7:19am: Got yourself one hell of a big-ass Liberal majority there in WA now Phil.... But you would have neutral feelings about that Andrei?
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Reply #8 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 7:59am

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 7:37am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 7:19am:

Got yourself one hell of a big-ass Liberal majority there in WA now Phil....

But you would have neutral feelings about that Andrei?

Never lived in WA and been there once in my life.
Been to Iceland more times than Perth.

Has no impact on me whatsoever.

Nice to see good Governments rewarded though.
Which is why I am keen to see a poor Federal Government also receive its verdict from the people.

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Re: Abbott is right about carbon credits
Reply #9 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 8:09am

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 7:14am:

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 6:46am:

I have often thought when people run many miles... for charity wouldnt it be better if they planted trees instead..

no offense but running walking cycling. really doesnt make any difference does it??? accept make money but people I am sure would gladly donate money to tree planting just the same..

trees being selective and supplied by the govt of course..no exploding gums in the city..lets do something positive... this country has many miles of almost barren land..

makes sense to me the planet will die without trees... yet we hear very little on replanting...

bugger carbon credits..that to me is another smoke and mirrors.... it looks like govt are doing something ..LOL>..yeah right!

Arid soil is not good for planting trees and someone must water them to keep them alive.....The amount of trees needed would also have to cover over 1/4 of Australia's land mass to achieve the reductions Abbott is claiming.....It simply will not work and will not happen!!!

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NO OFFENSE HERE PHIL... BUT I AM TALKING OVER YEARS AND YEARS... AND TREES THAT WILL LIVE IN DESSERT TYPE TERRAIN...

I AM NOT SUGGESTING ALL LAND.. JUST THAT THATS VIABLE TO START WITH...

Read about the reality of Abbott's policy.....

http://theconversation.edu.au/will-the-oppositions-direct-action-plan-work-12309

my son in law walked 24 hours for OXFAM..100 ks I think it was....he could barely walk for two weeks after and lost all his toenails..as did his mates..

they did a good job were very happy with the money they raised...but in all honesty... I cant see the point of being almost crippled...

if they had each gone out and planted trees or other vegetation..I feel it would have done far more good..maybe I have a different outlook..

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Abbott is right about carbon credits Reply #10 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 8:12am I also think tree planting has more benefits... when planting trees one could also remove weeds..
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Re: Abbott is right about carbon credits
Reply #11 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 8:59am

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 6:46am:

I have often thought when people run many miles... for charity wouldnt it be better if they planted trees instead..

no offense but running walking cycling. really doesnt make any difference does it??? accept make money but people I am sure would gladly donate money to tree planting just the same..

trees being selective and supplied by the govt of course..no exploding gums in the city..lets do something positive... this country has many miles of almost barren land..

makes sense to me the planet will die without trees... yet we hear very little on replanting...

bugger carbon credits..that to me is another smoke and mirrors.... it looks like govt are doing something ..LOL>..yeah right!

Planting is not the problem but trees planted, have to be watered and that is difficult during dry spells.

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Reply #12 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 9:49am

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 7:07am:

Errrr.....You are wrong Macca.....Abbott has ruled out selling carbon credits on the International market Macca.....His direct action policy is completely paid for from consolidated revenue with no option to allow business to sell carbon credits on an International market as you claim.....Abbott's direct Action policy is a complete waste of money as it cannot possibly work against the current protocols....Storing carbon in soil is not counted towards emissions targets yet it accounts for 60% of the Coalitions reductions.....If Australia reaches it agreed target there is no penalty so it is important to embrace a policy that will work.....Under an Abbott Government Australia will not reach its emissions targets by 2020!!!

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Could you show use the reference to the highlighted points in your post

If you think the credits you referred to are the same credits in this article then provide the evidence

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Re: Abbott is right about carbon credits
Reply #13 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 10:15am

olde.sault wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 8:59am:

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 6:46am:

I have often thought when people run many miles... for charity wouldnt it be better if they planted trees instead..

no offense but running walking cycling. really doesnt make any difference does it??? accept make money but people I am sure would gladly donate money to tree planting just the same..

trees being selective and supplied by the govt of course..no exploding gums in the city..lets do something positive... this country has many miles of almost barren land..

makes sense to me the planet will die without trees... yet we hear very little on replanting...

bugger carbon credits..that to me is another smoke and mirrors.... it looks like govt are doing something ..LOL>..yeah right!

Planting is not the problem but trees planted, have to be watered and that is difficult during dry spells.

yes, it'ld be a big job to be successful.
need to select the right areas to replantm, right trees to replant, support after they have been planted.
could revitalise rural areas or be a big flop.

But, I like the concept of replanting, as should greenies.

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Re: Abbott is right about carbon credits
Reply #14 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 10:16am

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 6:46am:

I have often thought when people run many miles... for charity wouldnt it be better if they planted trees instead..

no offense but running walking cycling. really doesnt make any difference does it??? accept make money but people I am sure would gladly donate money to tree planting just the same..

trees being selective and supplied by the govt of course..no exploding gums in the city..lets do something positive... this country has many miles of almost barren land..

makes sense to me the planet will die without trees... yet we hear very little on replanting...

bugger carbon credits..that to me is another smoke and mirrors.... it looks like govt are doing something ..LOL>..yeah right!

agreed

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