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KJT1981 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1822	Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges Reply #15 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:35am FRED. wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:32am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:00pm: Nothing about Howards old right hand man Arty Sinodinos dodgy deals or Eric Abetz's family links to Hitler and the Nazi party? I thought not Hey wingnut are you still shagging that Asian hooker Lady boy???
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Reply #16 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:40am

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:35am:

FRED. wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:32am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:00pm:

Nothing about Howards old right hand man Arty Sinodinos dodgy deals or Eric Abetz's family links to Hitler and the Nazi party?
I thought not Grin

Hey wingnut are you still shagging that Asian hooker Wink

Lady boy???

OOPPS Sorry LADYBOY Wink

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges Reply #17 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:41am If I were the police, I would be worried the evidence the FWA gathers is going to be locked away from their view, as that is FWA policy.
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Reply #18 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:49am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:41am:

If I were the police, I would be worried the evidence the FWA gathers is going to be locked away from their view, as that is FWA policy.

what are you saying prog.. the police have no access to what FWA have??? when someone is charged their defense team has access to just about everything... dont they?

FWA are nothing to do with the LAW at least thats what I have thought.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges Reply #19 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:51am cods wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:49am: what are you saying prog.. why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....
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Reply #20 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:17am

cods wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:49am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:41am:

If I were the police, I would be worried the evidence the FWA gathers is going to be locked away from their view, as that is FWA policy.

what are you saying prog.. the police have no access to what FWA have??? when someone is charged their defense team has access to just about everything... dont they?

FWA are nothing to do with the LAW at least thats what I have thought.

Division 4—General provisions relating to civil remedies

554 Criminal proceedings after civil proceedings

Criminal proceedings may be commenced against a person for conduct that is substantially the same as conduct constituting a contravention of a civil remedy provision regardless of whether an order has been made against the person under Division 2.

555 Evidence given in proceedings for pecuniary penalty not admissible in criminal proceedings

(1) Evidence of information given, or evidence of production of documents, by an individual is not admissible in criminal proceedings against the individual if:

(a) the individual previously gave the information or produced the documents in proceedings for a pecuniary penalty order against the individual for a contravention of a civil remedy provision (whether or not the order was made); and

(b) the conduct alleged to constitute the offence is substantially the same as the conduct in relation to which the order was sought.

(2) However, this does not apply to criminal proceedings in relation to the falsity of the evidence given by the individual in the proceedings for the pecuniary penalty order.

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This worries me because it is either the evidence given in civil proceedings cannot just be copy pasted for the criminal proceedings, but must be the direct evidence for the criminal court to digest.

or the evidence used in civil court cannot be used in criminal court because it becomes inadmisable. Can the evidence even be shared or is the evidence in lock down?

We will have to see the interpretation after the fact, or stop the civil case until the criminal case hase ceased.

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges Reply #21 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:19am John Smith wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:51am: cods wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:49am: what are you saying prog.. why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue ..... Well I could hardly see cods asking you about anything at all, so dont feel bad on this one.
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KJT1981 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1822	Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges Reply #22 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:32am John Smith wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:51am: cods wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:49am: what are you saying prog.. why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue ..... The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything. Right Giovanni.
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Reply #23 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:44am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:17am:

cods wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:49am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:41am:

If I were the police, I would be worried the evidence the FWA gathers is going to be locked away from their view, as that is FWA policy.

what are you saying prog.. the police have no access to what FWA have??? when someone is charged their defense team has access to just about everything... dont they?

FWA are nothing to do with the LAW at least thats what I have thought.

Division 4—General provisions relating to civil remedies

554 Criminal proceedings after civil proceedings

Criminal proceedings may be commenced against a person for conduct that is substantially the same as conduct constituting a contravention of a civil remedy provision regardless of whether an order has been made against the person under Division 2.

555 Evidence given in proceedings for pecuniary penalty not admissible in criminal proceedings

(1) Evidence of information given, or evidence of production of documents, by an individual is not admissible in criminal proceedings against the individual if:

(a) the individual previously gave the information or produced the documents in proceedings for a pecuniary penalty order against the individual for a contravention of a civil remedy provision (whether or not the order was made); and

(b) the conduct alleged to constitute the offence is substantially the same as the conduct in relation to which the order was sought.

(2) However, this does not apply to criminal proceedings in relation to the falsity of the evidence given by the individual in the proceedings for the pecuniary penalty order.

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This worries me because it is either the evidence given in civil proceedings cannot just be copy pasted for the criminal proceedings, but must be the direct evidence for the criminal court to digest.

or the evidence used in civil court cannot be used in criminal court because it becomes inadmisable. Can the evidence even be shared or is the evidence in lock down?

We will have to see the interpretation after the fact, or stop the civil case until the criminal case hase ceased.

well what part of what he is accused of is a crime.. and what part is just a civil case..

I am under the impression he is being charged with using money for his own benefit that wasnt his and wasnt authorised

now it looks like they are picking and choosing..

how can using a credit card to visit a brothel be a crime... when using money I presume by way of the same credit card to fund his campaign is a civil case..

I am surprised Jacksons name hasnt come up yet!

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Reply #24 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:46am

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:49am:

what are you saying prog..

why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....

The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.

go away racist troll

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Reply #25 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:51am

cods wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:44am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:17am:

cods wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:49am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:41am:

If I were the police, I would be worried the evidence the FWA gathers is going to be locked away from their view, as that is FWA policy.

what are you saying prog.. the police have no access to what FWA have??? when someone is charged their defense team has access to just about everything... dont they?

FWA are nothing to do with the LAW at least thats what I have thought.

Division 4—General provisions relating to civil remedies

554 Criminal proceedings after civil proceedings

Criminal proceedings may be commenced against a person for conduct that is substantially the same as conduct constituting a contravention of a civil remedy provision regardless of whether an order has been made against the person under Division 2.

555 Evidence given in proceedings for pecuniary penalty not admissible in criminal proceedings

(1) Evidence of information given, or evidence of production of documents, by an individual is not admissible in criminal proceedings against the individual if:

(a) the individual previously gave the information or produced the documents in proceedings for a pecuniary penalty order against the individual for a contravention of a civil remedy provision (whether or not the order was made); and

(b) the conduct alleged to constitute the offence is substantially the same as the conduct in relation to which the order was sought.

(2) However, this does not apply to criminal proceedings in relation to the falsity of the evidence given by the individual in the proceedings for the pecuniary penalty order.

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This worries me because it is either the evidence given in civil proceedings cannot just be copy pasted for the criminal proceedings, but must be the direct evidence for the criminal court to digest.

or the evidence used in civil court cannot be used in criminal court because it becomes inadmisable. Can the evidence even be shared or is the evidence in lock down?

We will have to see the interpretation after the fact, or stop the civil case until the criminal case hase ceased.

well what part of what he is accused of is a crime.. and what part is just a civil case..

I am under the impression he is being charged with using money for his own benefit that wasnt his and wasnt authorised

now it looks like they are picking and choosing..

how can using a credit card to visit a brothel be a crime... when using money I presume by way of the same credit card to fund his campaign is a civil case..

I am surprised Jacksons name hasnt come up yet!

Given that Jackson has been sprung ripping off the union off of vast quantities of money its no surprise that she has suddenly become very quiet.

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Reply #26 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:54am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:49am:

what are you saying prog..

why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....

The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.

go away racist troll

SOB

These are the same people that said Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek post ww2 migrants or Vietnamese and Khmer refugees.
Cheesy

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KJT1981

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Reply #27 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 10:36am

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:49am:

what are you saying prog..

why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....

The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.

go away racist troll

SOB

These are the same people that said Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek post ww2 migrants or Vietnamese and Khmer refugees.
Cheesy

You know bugger all about me crow and as per usual you have made a complete @rse of yourself.

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Reply #28 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 10:41am

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 10:36am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:49am:

what are you saying prog..

why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....

The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.

go away racist troll

SOB

These are the same people that said Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek post ww2 migrants or Vietnamese and Khmer refugees.

You know bugger all about me crow and as per usual you have made a complete @rse of yourself.

I think that Crows comment is correct but do not see how it relates to you KJt.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 62414 Here Gender:	Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges Reply #29 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 10:54am Thomo will face even MORE charges What additional charges???? Name one? For someone so concerned about Gillards honesty you don't seem to show much yourself?
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