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The_Barnacle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6205 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Climate Change is back on Reply #60 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:09am Longy beleives that if he repeats a lie for long enough then it must be the truth.
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Climate Change is back on Reply #61 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:16am The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:09am: Longy beleives that if he repeats a lie for long enough then it must be the truth. What like wabbit who thinks 0.5 doesnt equal 0.5 after 17 years.
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Re: Climate Change is back on
Reply #62 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:30am

namnugenot wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:00am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 7:33am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:23pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:45pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Tell that to all the businesses in the new Climate zones, in Queensland & northern NSW, as they become "uninsurable" over the next 5-10 years & they start screaming for governments to mitigate against the RISKS of them losing their Businesses, due to Climate Change.

And, even by then, it will probably be too late?

so the floods and cyclone has nothing to do with that?

Honestly Maqqa, there are some times, when I wonder what planet you come from!

The increased frequency & intensity of Floods & Cyclones in those areas, due to Climate Change, has everything to do with why those areas will find some insurances increasingly difficult to obtain!

except that it ISNT increased. it is not as bad as it has been in the past.
You do know that Australia is globally known as a continent either in drought or flood and rarely anything in between? none of these recent flood events are outside normal expectations.

Tell that to those people in Queensland & Northen NSW, who have been hit multiple times, recently & will be amongst the first to be hit by being "uninsurable" against those climate risks, that are most affecting their businesses & their very lives!!!

I doubt they will appreciate it!

What a opportunistic, shabby pile of horse nuggets!!!

Check out the Brisbane floods Feb 1893

Tell that to those people in Queensland & Northern NSW, who have been hit multiple times, recently & who will be amongst the first to be hit by being "uninsurable" against those climate risks, that are most affecting their businesses & their very lives!!!

And why is all that happening? Well, it's because of an increased frequency & intensity of Floods & Cyclones in those areas, due to Climate Change AND that governments (of all persuasions) have allowed, no they actually pushed massive Population growth, in areas that are prone to the sort of Climate Change events, that are now becoming more prevalent!

So, to all those who don't believe in Climate Change, continue with your beliefs, BUT I doubt those people who will be directly &/or indirectly affected by these events will appreciate the subtlety, as their Businesses & lives are being lost on events happening now, not over a century ago!

Finally, spare some thought for those people of Perth & the general South West of WA, who have now seen Climate Change first hand, for some forty years, as our rainfall has dried up & we now face our major sources of drinking water disappearing before our eyes, whilst Politicians (both Labor & liberal) STILL TALK OF ECONOMIC & POPULATION GROWTH!

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Re: Climate Change is back on
Reply #63 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:36am

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:30am:

namnugenot wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:00am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 7:33am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:23pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:45pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Tell that to all the businesses in the new Climate zones, in Queensland & northern NSW, as they become "uninsurable" over the next 5-10 years & they start screaming for governments to mitigate against the RISKS of them losing their Businesses, due to Climate Change.

And, even by then, it will probably be too late?

so the floods and cyclone has nothing to do with that?

Honestly Maqqa, there are some times, when I wonder what planet you come from!

The increased frequency & intensity of Floods & Cyclones in those areas, due to Climate Change, has everything to do with why those areas will find some insurances increasingly difficult to obtain!

except that it ISNT increased. it is not as bad as it has been in the past.
You do know that Australia is globally known as a continent either in drought or flood and rarely anything in between? none of these recent flood events are outside normal expectations.

Tell that to those people in Queensland & Northen NSW, who have been hit multiple times, recently & will be amongst the first to be hit by being "uninsurable" against those climate risks, that are most affecting their businesses & their very lives!!!

I doubt they will appreciate it!

What a opportunistic, shabby pile of horse nuggets!!!

Check out the Brisbane floods Feb 1893

Tell that to those people in Queensland & Northern NSW, who have been hit multiple times, recently & who will be amongst the first to be hit by being "uninsurable" against those climate risks, that are most affecting their businesses & their very lives!!!

And why is all that happening? Well, it's because of an increased frequency & intensity of Floods & Cyclones in those areas, due to Climate Change AND that governments (of all persuasions) have allowed, no they actually pushed massive Population growth, in areas that are prone to the sort of Climate Change events, that are now becoming more prevalent!

So, to all those who don't believe in Climate Change, continue with your beliefs, BUT I doubt those people who will be directly &/or indirectly affected by these events will appreciate the subtlety, as their Businesses & lives are being lost on events happening now, not over a century ago!

Finally, spare some thought for those people of Perth & the general South West of WA, who have now seen Climate Change first hand, for some forty years, as our rainfall has dried up & we now face our major sources of drinking water disappearing before our eyes, whilst Politicians (both Labor & liberal) STILL TALK OF ECONOMIC & POPULATION GROWTH!

Why would you tell people in QLD that they moved into a possible monsoon trough area and where there can be muliple cyclones per season.

It is up to the home buyers to determine the history of the area.

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Re: Climate Change is back on
Reply #64 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:57am

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 10:48am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 7:30am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:49pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:00pm:

the IPCC has said that there has been no warming in the past 17 years..

please show us the quote

You have been caught lying about this before.
You really shoiuld give up.

Show us evidence that the IPCC has said that there has been no warming in the past 17 years.
or apologise for telling lies.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:00pm:

I really dont care if you are too stupid, too pigheaded or too ignorant to accept it. It has happened. Everyone knows about it except you.

Show us evidence that the IPCC has said that there has been no warming in the past 17 years.
or apologise for telling lies.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:00pm:

time to move on.

Come on Liar - your move

Show us evidence that the IPCC has said that there has been no warming in the past 17 years.
or apologise for telling lies.

do you live in a hole, rabbit-food??? it was all over the news. look it up for yourself. even MOTR was reluctantly willing to accept that the IPCC said this.

No it wasn't liar.

You have already been proved wrong on this - yet you still lie about it.

If it were all "over the news" - you would have a reference to prove it.

Show us your reference that "the IPCC has said that there has been no warming in the past 17 years."

So far all you have shown us is a news story from The Australian that says the exact oposite of what you claim.

Come on liar - if it were ALL OVER THE NEWS - Show us your reference that "the IPCC has said that there has been no warming in the past 17 years."

We are waiting liar.

good grief drongo... it has been shown to you a dozen times so far and still you dont believe. you re now officially....

A CLIMATE DENIER

you are also a stupid fool who is incapable of reading.

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Re: Climate Change is back on
Reply #65 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:58am

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:09am:

Longy beleives that if he repeats a lie for long enough then it must be the truth.

well same to you... the links and the quotes have been shown an discussed dozens of times. if you are so daft and so unable to read it when it is right in front of you than its not my problem.

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Reply #66 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:11pm

New Paper: No Increase in Tropical Cyclones Over Past 200 Years
Date: 01/03/13

The Hockey Schtick

A paper published today in Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology reconstructs tropical cyclones in Queensland, Australia and finds that “tropical cyclone frequency did not increase in the past 200 years.”

The paper adds to many other peer-reviewed publications demonstrating that, contrary to the claims of climate alarmists, tropical cyclones have not increased, and in many cases have decreased due to warming, and are projected to further decrease in the future.

Reconstructing tropical cyclone frequency using hydrogen isotope ratios of sedimentary n-alkanes in northern Queensland, Australia
- See more at: http://www.thegwpf.org/paper-finds-increase-tropical-cyclones-200-years/#sthash.KoBMb9Cr.dpuf

Just something else for the warmist deniers to deny... Cheesy

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Re: Climate Change is back on
Reply #67 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:13pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:36am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:30am:

namnugenot wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:00am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 7:33am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:23pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:45pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Tell that to all the businesses in the new Climate zones, in Queensland & northern NSW, as they become "uninsurable" over the next 5-10 years & they start screaming for governments to mitigate against the RISKS of them losing their Businesses, due to Climate Change.

And, even by then, it will probably be too late?

so the floods and cyclone has nothing to do with that?

Honestly Maqqa, there are some times, when I wonder what planet you come from!

The increased frequency & intensity of Floods & Cyclones in those areas, due to Climate Change, has everything to do with why those areas will find some insurances increasingly difficult to obtain!

except that it ISNT increased. it is not as bad as it has been in the past.
You do know that Australia is globally known as a continent either in drought or flood and rarely anything in between? none of these recent flood events are outside normal expectations.

Tell that to those people in Queensland & Northen NSW, who have been hit multiple times, recently & will be amongst the first to be hit by being "uninsurable" against those climate risks, that are most affecting their businesses & their very lives!!!

I doubt they will appreciate it!

What a opportunistic, shabby pile of horse nuggets!!!

Check out the Brisbane floods Feb 1893

Tell that to those people in Queensland & Northern NSW, who have been hit multiple times, recently & who will be amongst the first to be hit by being "uninsurable" against those climate risks, that are most affecting their businesses & their very lives!!!

And why is all that happening? Well, it's because of an increased frequency & intensity of Floods & Cyclones in those areas, due to Climate Change AND that governments (of all persuasions) have allowed, no they actually pushed massive Population growth, in areas that are prone to the sort of Climate Change events, that are now becoming more prevalent!

So, to all those who don't believe in Climate Change, continue with your beliefs, BUT I doubt those people who will be directly &/or indirectly affected by these events will appreciate the subtlety, as their Businesses & lives are being lost on events happening now, not over a century ago!

Finally, spare some thought for those people of Perth & the general South West of WA, who have now seen Climate Change first hand, for some forty years, as our rainfall has dried up & we now face our major sources of drinking water disappearing before our eyes, whilst Politicians (both Labor & liberal) STILL TALK OF ECONOMIC & POPULATION GROWTH!

Why would you tell people in QLD that they moved into a possible monsoon trough area and where there can be muliple cyclones per season.

It is up to the home buyers to determine the history of the area.

It is apparent that words such as -
Change
uninsurable
frequency
intensity
mean nothing to you, BUT I AM SURE THEY DO, TO THOSE PEOPLE AFFECTED, BY WHAT IS HAPPENING & WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP!

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Re: Climate Change is back on
Reply #68 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:16pm

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:13pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:36am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:30am:

namnugenot wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:00am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 7:33am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:23pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:45pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Tell that to all the businesses in the new Climate zones, in Queensland & northern NSW, as they become "uninsurable" over the next 5-10 years & they start screaming for governments to mitigate against the RISKS of them losing their Businesses, due to Climate Change.

And, even by then, it will probably be too late?

so the floods and cyclone has nothing to do with that?

Honestly Maqqa, there are some times, when I wonder what planet you come from!

The increased frequency & intensity of Floods & Cyclones in those areas, due to Climate Change, has everything to do with why those areas will find some insurances increasingly difficult to obtain!

except that it ISNT increased. it is not as bad as it has been in the past.
You do know that Australia is globally known as a continent either in drought or flood and rarely anything in between? none of these recent flood events are outside normal expectations.

Tell that to those people in Queensland & Northen NSW, who have been hit multiple times, recently & will be amongst the first to be hit by being "uninsurable" against those climate risks, that are most affecting their businesses & their very lives!!!

I doubt they will appreciate it!

What a opportunistic, shabby pile of horse nuggets!!!

Check out the Brisbane floods Feb 1893

Tell that to those people in Queensland & Northern NSW, who have been hit multiple times, recently & who will be amongst the first to be hit by being "uninsurable" against those climate risks, that are most affecting their businesses & their very lives!!!

And why is all that happening? Well, it's because of an increased frequency & intensity of Floods & Cyclones in those areas, due to Climate Change AND that governments (of all persuasions) have allowed, no they actually pushed massive Population growth, in areas that are prone to the sort of Climate Change events, that are now becoming more prevalent!

So, to all those who don't believe in Climate Change, continue with your beliefs, BUT I doubt those people who will be directly &/or indirectly affected by these events will appreciate the subtlety, as their Businesses & lives are being lost on events happening now, not over a century ago!

Finally, spare some thought for those people of Perth & the general South West of WA, who have now seen Climate Change first hand, for some forty years, as our rainfall has dried up & we now face our major sources of drinking water disappearing before our eyes, whilst Politicians (both Labor & liberal) STILL TALK OF ECONOMIC & POPULATION GROWTH!

Why would you tell people in QLD that they moved into a possible monsoon trough area and where there can be muliple cyclones per season.

It is up to the home buyers to determine the history of the area.

It is apparent that words such as -
Change
uninsurable
frequency
intensity
mean nothing to you, BUT I AM SURE THEY DO, TO THOSE PEOPLE AFFECTED, BY WHAT IS HAPPENING & WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP!

It is apparent you are a doomsdayer and have no clue on the history of weather or climate in that area.

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Re: Climate Change is back on
Reply #69 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:29pm

Rider wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:11pm:

New Paper: No Increase in Tropical Cyclones Over Past 200 Years
Date: 01/03/13

The Hockey Schtick

A paper published today in Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology reconstructs tropical cyclones in Queensland, Australia and finds that “tropical cyclone frequency did not increase in the past 200 years.”

The paper adds to many other peer-reviewed publications demonstrating that, contrary to the claims of climate alarmists, tropical cyclones have not increased, and in many cases have decreased due to warming, and are projected to further decrease in the future.

Reconstructing tropical cyclone frequency using hydrogen isotope ratios of sedimentary n-alkanes in northern Queensland, Australia
- See more at: http://www.thegwpf.org/paper-finds-increase-tropical-cyclones-200-years/#sthash.KoBMb9Cr.dpuf

Just something else for the warmist deniers to deny... Cheesy

it is just another of those peer-reviewed papers that MOTR says have not been published. and if it does admit to publication the next step is to claim the author is without validity, all of which is still vastly superior to rabbit-foods response which will be to say we are lying and no such report was ever produced,

Climate hysterics... ironically, they are actually climate DENIERS while those they call deniers are actually no more than SCEPTICS - a trait found in every scientific discipline other than climatology.

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Reply #70 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:30pm

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:13pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:36am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:30am:

namnugenot wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:00am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 7:33am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:23pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:45pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Tell that to all the businesses in the new Climate zones, in Queensland & northern NSW, as they become "uninsurable" over the next 5-10 years & they start screaming for governments to mitigate against the RISKS of them losing their Businesses, due to Climate Change.

And, even by then, it will probably be too late?

so the floods and cyclone has nothing to do with that?

Honestly Maqqa, there are some times, when I wonder what planet you come from!

The increased frequency & intensity of Floods & Cyclones in those areas, due to Climate Change, has everything to do with why those areas will find some insurances increasingly difficult to obtain!

except that it ISNT increased. it is not as bad as it has been in the past.
You do know that Australia is globally known as a continent either in drought or flood and rarely anything in between? none of these recent flood events are outside normal expectations.

Tell that to those people in Queensland & Northen NSW, who have been hit multiple times, recently & will be amongst the first to be hit by being "uninsurable" against those climate risks, that are most affecting their businesses & their very lives!!!

I doubt they will appreciate it!

What a opportunistic, shabby pile of horse nuggets!!!

Check out the Brisbane floods Feb 1893

Tell that to those people in Queensland & Northern NSW, who have been hit multiple times, recently & who will be amongst the first to be hit by being "uninsurable" against those climate risks, that are most affecting their businesses & their very lives!!!

And why is all that happening? Well, it's because of an increased frequency & intensity of Floods & Cyclones in those areas, due to Climate Change AND that governments (of all persuasions) have allowed, no they actually pushed massive Population growth, in areas that are prone to the sort of Climate Change events, that are now becoming more prevalent!

So, to all those who don't believe in Climate Change, continue with your beliefs, BUT I doubt those people who will be directly &/or indirectly affected by these events will appreciate the subtlety, as their Businesses & lives are being lost on events happening now, not over a century ago!

Finally, spare some thought for those people of Perth & the general South West of WA, who have now seen Climate Change first hand, for some forty years, as our rainfall has dried up & we now face our major sources of drinking water disappearing before our eyes, whilst Politicians (both Labor & liberal) STILL TALK OF ECONOMIC & POPULATION GROWTH!

Why would you tell people in QLD that they moved into a possible monsoon trough area and where there can be muliple cyclones per season.

It is up to the home buyers to determine the history of the area.

It is apparent that words such as -
Change
uninsurable
frequency
intensity
mean nothing to you, BUT I AM SURE THEY DO, TO THOSE PEOPLE AFFECTED, BY WHAT IS HAPPENING & WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP!

A even bigger steaming pile of horse nuggets...I live in northern NSW on a river so don't lecture me. And you still havn't answered my question how high the latest flood was or even the biggest recently for say Brisbane as my example of flood heights.... The absolute reason these floods have been so damaging is directly attributable in that part of the world to people being allowed to build well below even the 1974 flood contours and Wivenhoe dam being run exclusively as a water storage and not as was trumpeted when it was built as a flood mitigation dam. So this failure is one exclusively of planning not climate.

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Reply #71 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:45pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:29pm:

Rider wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:11pm:

New Paper: No Increase in Tropical Cyclones Over Past 200 Years
Date: 01/03/13

The Hockey Schtick

A paper published today in Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology reconstructs tropical cyclones in Queensland, Australia and finds that “tropical cyclone frequency did not increase in the past 200 years.”

The paper adds to many other peer-reviewed publications demonstrating that, contrary to the claims of climate alarmists, tropical cyclones have not increased, and in many cases have decreased due to warming, and are projected to further decrease in the future.

Reconstructing tropical cyclone frequency using hydrogen isotope ratios of sedimentary n-alkanes in northern Queensland, Australia
- See more at: http://www.thegwpf.org/paper-finds-increase-tropical-cyclones-200-years/#sthash.KoBMb9Cr.dpuf

Just something else for the warmist deniers to deny... Cheesy

it is just another of those peer-reviewed papers that MOTR says have not been published. and if it does admit to publication the next step is to claim the author is without validity, all of which is still vastly superior to rabbit-foods response which will be to say we are lying and no such report was ever produced,

Climate hysterics... ironically, they are actually climate DENIERS while those they call deniers are actually no more than SCEPTICS - a trait found in every scientific discipline other than climatology.

Exactly. I've just been ready about the global cooling scare of the '70's....same rhetoric, just a different bogey. Unbuggeringbelievable ar$ewipes, these so called scientists should be mopping up spilt cokes in Maccas ...

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Reply #72 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:56pm

namnugenot wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:30pm:

A even bigger steaming pile of horse nuggets...I live in northern NSW on a river so don't lecture me. And you still havn't answered my question how high the latest flood was or even the biggest recently for say Brisbane as my example of flood heights.... The absolute reason these floods have been so damaging is directly attributable in that part of the world to people being allowed to build well below even the 1974 flood contours and Wivenhoe dam being run exclusively as a water storage and not as was trumpeted when it was built as a flood mitigation dam. So this failure is one exclusively of planning not climate.

Each flood behaves differently as well, add human induced 'town planning' and we have what we see today.

Once apon a time houses in flood areas used to be significantly cheaper to buy, but because we are 'smarter' now people thought that didn't matter, well its a wake up call isn't it.

If i can just correct you a little re Wivenhoe - it works perfectly as a water supply, at 100% of its water supply limit it still has capacity to hold back an additional equivalent amount of water, ie. it holds 200% when the mitigation level is reached, and it did the other year....that was a case of human induced poor management in that a whole wet season (it started raining in Nov and didn't stop till Feb) was held back, a poor stategy of avoiding a low level flood which in turn meant a high level flood was ultimately inevitable.

Every one who lived in Brissy knows this, the water managers squirrelled out of it, but we know what happenned and why.

And yes, some property will be in the future, uninsurable, that is a simple fact, you might be able to insure, but it will be priced accordingly. Bad luck, that's why your property was cheaper than the one up on the hill.

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Reply #73 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 2:22pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:16pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:13pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:36am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:30am:

namnugenot wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:00am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 8:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 7:33am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:23pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:45pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Tell that to all the businesses in the new Climate zones, in Queensland & northern NSW, as they become "uninsurable" over the next 5-10 years & they start screaming for governments to mitigate against the RISKS of them losing their Businesses, due to Climate Change.

And, even by then, it will probably be too late?

so the floods and cyclone has nothing to do with that?

Honestly Maqqa, there are some times, when I wonder what planet you come from!

The increased frequency & intensity of Floods & Cyclones in those areas, due to Climate Change, has everything to do with why those areas will find some insurances increasingly difficult to obtain!

except that it ISNT increased. it is not as bad as it has been in the past.
You do know that Australia is globally known as a continent either in drought or flood and rarely anything in between? none of these recent flood events are outside normal expectations.

Tell that to those people in Queensland & Northen NSW, who have been hit multiple times, recently & will be amongst the first to be hit by being "uninsurable" against those climate risks, that are most affecting their businesses & their very lives!!!

I doubt they will appreciate it!

What a opportunistic, shabby pile of horse nuggets!!!

Check out the Brisbane floods Feb 1893

Tell that to those people in Queensland & Northern NSW, who have been hit multiple times, recently & who will be amongst the first to be hit by being "uninsurable" against those climate risks, that are most affecting their businesses & their very lives!!!

And why is all that happening? Well, it's because of an increased frequency & intensity of Floods & Cyclones in those areas, due to Climate Change AND that governments (of all persuasions) have allowed, no they actually pushed massive Population growth, in areas that are prone to the sort of Climate Change events, that are now becoming more prevalent!

So, to all those who don't believe in Climate Change, continue with your beliefs, BUT I doubt those people who will be directly &/or indirectly affected by these events will appreciate the subtlety, as their Businesses & lives are being lost on events happening now, not over a century ago!

Finally, spare some thought for those people of Perth & the general South West of WA, who have now seen Climate Change first hand, for some forty years, as our rainfall has dried up & we now face our major sources of drinking water disappearing before our eyes, whilst Politicians (both Labor & liberal) STILL TALK OF ECONOMIC & POPULATION GROWTH!

Why would you tell people in QLD that they moved into a possible monsoon trough area and where there can be muliple cyclones per season.

It is up to the home buyers to determine the history of the area.

It is apparent that words such as -
Change
uninsurable
frequency
intensity
mean nothing to you, BUT I AM SURE THEY DO, TO THOSE PEOPLE AFFECTED, BY WHAT IS HAPPENING & WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP!

It is apparent you are a doomsdayer and have no clue on the history of weather or climate in that area.

No, it is simply a matter of understanding that reality happens!

As I have said previously, I spent over 40 years in the financial sector, mostly in general insurance AND THAT INDUSTRY IS BUILT ON THE FACT THAT SH!T HAPPENS!!

The insurance industry has a primary interest in "weather" Climate Change is real or not & I can tell you, THEY DO & THEY ARE ALREADY VOTING ECONOMICALLY WITH DRASTIC INCREASES TO COVER COSTS & IN SOME AREAS THEY ARE ALREADY DECLINING COVERS & IN SOME INSTANCES SIMPLY DECLINING TO INSURE IN CERTAIN AREAS.

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Re: Climate Change is back on
Reply #74 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 2:23pm

Rider wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:56pm:

namnugenot wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:30pm:

A even bigger steaming pile of horse nuggets...I live in northern NSW on a river so don't lecture me. And you still havn't answered my question how high the latest flood was or even the biggest recently for say Brisbane as my example of flood heights.... The absolute reason these floods have been so damaging is directly attributable in that part of the world to people being allowed to build well below even the 1974 flood contours and Wivenhoe dam being run exclusively as a water storage and not as was trumpeted when it was built as a flood mitigation dam. So this failure is one exclusively of planning not climate.

Each flood behaves differently as well, add human induced 'town planning' and we have what we see today.

Once apon a time houses in flood areas used to be significantly cheaper to buy, but because we are 'smarter' now people thought that didn't matter, well its a wake up call isn't it.

If i can just correct you a little re Wivenhoe - it works perfectly as a water supply, at 100% of its water supply limit it still has capacity to hold back an additional equivalent amount of water, ie. it holds 200% when the mitigation level is reached, and it did the other year....that was a case of human induced poor management in that a whole wet season (it started raining in Nov and didn't stop till Feb) was held back, a poor stategy of avoiding a low level flood which in turn meant a high level flood was ultimately inevitable.

Every one who lived in Brissy knows this, the water managers squirrelled out of it, but we know what happenned and why.

And yes, some property will be in the future, uninsurable, that is a simple fact, you might be able to insure, but it will be priced accordingly. Bad luck, that's why your property was cheaper than the one up on the hill.

I used to live in Brissie...but havn't since 87. I also remember them building Wivenhoe Dam post the 5.5 meter flood that was about 3 meters less than the one in 1841 and also much, much smaller that a couple of others a single month in 1893. If Wivenhoe was purely a flood mitigation dam then there may have been some excuse for developing flood prone land but it wasn't. Most of the people would have no real idea that the land they are building on is flood prone in the first place. My parents house was about 2 kilometers from the Brisbane River and was 2 stories and flooded level with the roof. Should another flood of the magnitude of those in the 1800's occur, and it will, then lots of people are going to die without a doubt and this is something that is known one hundred percent and totally avoidable but the "planners", government, etc have chosen to develop land and profit from it in those circumstances. Now those same people are telling me that they want to tax me (but not those overseas) because of "climate change" and that will "save" us...f'off, what a bunch of wankers.

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