Australian Politics Forum - Murdoch and the NBN

John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Murdoch and the NBN Reply #45 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 6:55pm they were running fibre optic cable down my street today ...bloody ripper .... unfortunately I still have to wait another 6 months before it is available, todays guys just run the cable. .. they don't do the connections. I should be safe though, It seems that it's a bit late for Mr No to stop it getting here ...
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Reply #46 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 7:16pm

salad in wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

John S wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 5:01am:

Why does the Liberal party let one man dictate policy to them.

Murdoch is not even Australian and he doesn't vote here.

Doug Cameron is not Australian yet he sits in our parliament. Nick Bolkus was a Greek citizen yet he was a government minister. It's a bit late to be worried about non-citizens ain't it?

you have to be an australian citizen to be an MP - no exceptions.

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Reply #47 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 7:17pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 6:55pm:

they were running fibre optic cable down my street today ...bloody ripper .... unfortunately I still have to wait another 6 months before it is available, todays guys just run the cable. .. they don't do the connections. I should be safe though, It seems that it's a bit late for Mr No to stop it getting here ...

thats the easy bit. the connections to the premises is what is the hard and expensive and slow part.

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Reply #48 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 9:27pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 6:52pm:

Doug Cameron is an Australian citizen and Nick Bolkus was born in Adelaide.....Just so you know!!!

With Cameron's accent he'll never be Australian. Bolkus is a Greek; as you know you can't relinquish your Greek citizenship even if you're born outside of Greece but your parents are Greek.

Just so you know Wink

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A child of a Greek citizen acquires Greek nationality automatically at birth. The same applies to children born in Greece whose parents have lived legally and permanently in Greece for five years. Children born abroad and whose parents have lived legally and permanently in Greece for five years become Greek citizens upon successful completion of elementary education (six years). Greeks born abroad may transmit citizenship to their children from generation to generation indefinitely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_nationality_law

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salad in Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5941	Re: Murdoch and the NBN Reply #49 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 9:32pm longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 7:16pm: you have to be an australian citizen to be an MP - no exceptions. My father told me that it was Ron Casey (radio commentator) who identified about 21 MPs who held dual citizenship yet continued to sit in our parliament. They use the cloak of privacy to avoid scrutiny.
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Reply #50 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 5:55am

John Smith wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 6:55pm:

they were running fibre optic cable down my street today ...bloody ripper .... unfortunately I still have to wait another 6 months before it is available, todays guys just run the cable. .. they don't do the connections. I should be safe though, It seems that it's a bit late for Mr No to stop it getting here ...

When I moved to an outer suburb of brisbane a few years ago they were laying optus cable in the street. It was one reason i bought the house. thing is suddenly (before they got to my house) they stopped. Seems the council didnt want "unsightly optus cable" and they stopped it. Point? Dont count your chickens.

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Reply #51 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:57am

salad in wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 9:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 7:16pm:

you have to be an australian citizen to be an MP - no exceptions.

My father told me that it was Ron Casey (radio commentator) who identified about 21 MPs who held dual citizenship yet continued to sit in our parliament. They use the cloak of privacy to avoid scrutiny.

dual citizenship is not a problem nor a constitutional issue. Just because someone has that does not define them as disloyal. Paul Keating was an australian citizen only but since he got the boot spends most of his time outside the country and bagging australia. Loyalty is not conferred by citizenship.

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Reply #52 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:15am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 10:49am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

A densely populated area will have the most take-up.
I know some of you seem completely foreign to running a budget - but if you want a programme to have the shortest net pay-back time you roll it out where you will get the most take-up.

You will not get that in the middle of fking nowhere.

They should not have it first because it will carry a loss for longer than is necessary.

Think $$$$$.

Broadband will never reach rural areas with such a policy, which is clearly demonstrated by our pre-NBN days.

This is a case where government must make neccessary infrastructure investments where private ($$$ based) wont happen.

A very similar analogy as roads. Country roads are not economically as useful as city roads, yet we still build them.

but we dont build 12-lane freeways do we. we build roads the size they need to be and upgrade as necessary.

They are not building 12-lane highways to rural houses. fibre optics is cheaper than copper.

Current Copper is a bush track knocked through with a buldozer. Slow trip on a 4wd only
NBN is a tar seal road, cars, trucks, 100km/hr

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Reply #53 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:48am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:15am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 10:49am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

A densely populated area will have the most take-up.
I know some of you seem completely foreign to running a budget - but if you want a programme to have the shortest net pay-back time you roll it out where you will get the most take-up.

You will not get that in the middle of fking nowhere.

They should not have it first because it will carry a loss for longer than is necessary.

Think $$$$$.

Broadband will never reach rural areas with such a policy, which is clearly demonstrated by our pre-NBN days.

This is a case where government must make neccessary infrastructure investments where private ($$$ based) wont happen.

A very similar analogy as roads. Country roads are not economically as useful as city roads, yet we still build them.

but we dont build 12-lane freeways do we. we build roads the size they need to be and upgrade as necessary.

They are not building 12-lane highways to rural houses. fibre optics is cheaper than copper.

Current Copper is a bush track knocked through with a buldozer. Slow trip on a 4wd only
NBN is a tar seal road, cars, trucks, 100km/hr

whatever your argument is, 'cheaper' is not one of them. laying fibre is no cheaper than copper. laying fibre to the premises is totally unnecessary which is even more expensive.

anyhow, get over it. In september FTTH ends and FTTN begins. The debate is all but over.

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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Murdoch and the NBN Reply #54 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:56am longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:48am: laying fibre is no cheaper than copper. l I think you'll find that 'LAYING" either costs roughly the same. However copper would be more expensive than fiber. longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:48am: In september FTTH ends and FTTN begins I wouldn't put money on that.
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Reply #55 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 10:43am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:56am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:48am:

laying fibre is no cheaper than copper. l

I think you'll find that 'LAYING" either costs roughly the same.
However copper would be more expensive than fiber.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:48am:

In september FTTH ends and FTTN begins

I wouldn't put money on that.

granted... it might take until december. but the NBN as it is currently deployed is over. they know it as does everyone else. and FTTN will be put in place at 1/4 the cost and ten years ahead of schedule. A win for everyone.

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Reply #56 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:12am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 10:43am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:56am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:48am:

laying fibre is no cheaper than copper. l

I think you'll find that 'LAYING" either costs roughly the same.
However copper would be more expensive than fiber.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:48am:

In september FTTH ends and FTTN begins

I wouldn't put money on that.

granted... it might take until december. but the NBN as it is currently deployed is over. they know it as does everyone else. and FTTN will be put in place at 1/4 the cost and ten years ahead of schedule. A win for everyone.

1/4 of the cost would be 8-10 billion.

10 years ahead of schedule would be 2011.

As for the nbn being over - any contracts they enter in to (some until 2015/2015) may have to be fulfilled - unless the coalition want to pay billions in penalties.

If I was Mike Quigley I would sign companies up until the end of the roll out and then watch the coalition try to get out of the contracts.

Unless they have a copper network and a time machine, they won't be able to fulfill this promise.

The copper network which they will either buy from Telstra is worth about $20 billion.

As for the time frame - fttn could be finished by 2019 - wow a whole 2 years ahead of ftth, with 3/4 of the cost.

I wonder what type of speed their promising - maybe I should make a fttn speed bingo card?

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Reply #57 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 12:04pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 4:48am:

The slowdown in new subscribers in other countries could also be that ppl are waking up to them and their corruption thanks to questions being asked and leveson enquiry and questions being asked. No such thing is happening here and questions are actively discouraged. the sheep must not be allowed to wake up.

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Reply #59 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 4:05pm

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:12am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 10:43am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:56am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:48am:

laying fibre is no cheaper than copper. l

I think you'll find that 'LAYING" either costs roughly the same.
However copper would be more expensive than fiber.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 8:48am:

In september FTTH ends and FTTN begins

I wouldn't put money on that.

granted... it might take until december. but the NBN as it is currently deployed is over. they know it as does everyone else. and FTTN will be put in place at 1/4 the cost and ten years ahead of schedule. A win for everyone.

1/4 of the cost would be 8-10 billion.

10 years ahead of schedule would be 2011.

Like you expected the NBN to be finished by 2011?? every month they fall further behind. they have so far passed 72000 premises out of 12.2million in just over 4 years. not good.

As for the nbn being over - any contracts they enter in to (some until 2015/2015) may have to be fulfilled - unless the coalition want to pay billions in penalties.

If I was Mike Quigley I would sign companies up until the end of the roll out and then watch the coalition try to get out of the contracts.

Thats the advantage of being in govt. you can pass legislation specifically to void contracts like that. Rudd cancelled many Howard contracts. thats the prerogative of being in govt. get used to it!

Unless they have a copper network and a time machine, they won't be able to fulfill this promise.

The copper network which they will either buy from Telstra is worth about $20 billion.

As for the time frame - fttn could be finished by 2019 - wow a whole 2 years ahead of ftth, with 3/4 of the cost.

wrong again. it will be finished a decade ahead of the NBN at 1/4 the cost. and BTW. the copper is already there!

I wonder what type of speed their promising - maybe I should make a fttn speed bingo card?

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