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Reply #15 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:18am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 8:57am:
Ive been saying for ages that News Ltds opposition to the NBN is based on self interest via it being a threat to foxtels monopoly.



perhaps a lot of people are objecting to a $50B network for the provision of tv services
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Reply #16 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:23am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:18am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 8:57am:
Ive been saying for ages that News Ltds opposition to the NBN is based on self interest via it being a threat to foxtels monopoly.



perhaps a lot of people are objecting to a $50B network for the provision of tv services


The only people I hear objecting to the NBN are vested interests & those here who want a Liberal government.

Everyone I talk to in R/L is bitching that they have to wait.
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Reply #17 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:25am
 
cods wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:04am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 8:57am:
Ive been saying for ages that News Ltds opposition to the NBN is based on self interest via it being a threat to foxtels monopoly.





so can Murdoch change the world?? I dont think so.. we are not that easily brainwashed..I dont have pay TV so wouldnt have a clue .


I know you dont have a clue.   But the NBN does two things that are desperately needed in telecommunications in this country:
1) It allows competition in the PayTV market. Currently we have a private monopoly which is a very bad thing for consumers.
2) It finally divides wholesale and retail telecommunications, removing the blockage Telstra (doing both) has caused to slow innovation and investment in the sector.



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Reply #18 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:30am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:25am:
cods wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:04am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 8:57am:
Ive been saying for ages that News Ltds opposition to the NBN is based on self interest via it being a threat to foxtels monopoly.





so can Murdoch change the world?? I dont think so.. we are not that easily brainwashed..I dont have pay TV so wouldnt have a clue .


I know you dont have a clue.   But the NBN does two things that are desperately needed in telecommunications in this country:
1) It allows competition in the PayTV market. Currently we have a private monopoly which is a very bad thing for consumers.
2) It finally divides wholesale and retail telecommunications, removing the blockage Telstra (doing both) has caused to slow innovation and investment in the sector.





and it only costs $50BILLION to get more payTV???  marvellous. no wonder you support labor. you obviously cannot concieve of just how much that is.
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Reply #19 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:38am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:30am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:25am:
cods wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:04am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 8:57am:
Ive been saying for ages that News Ltds opposition to the NBN is based on self interest via it being a threat to foxtels monopoly.





so can Murdoch change the world?? I dont think so.. we are not that easily brainwashed..I dont have pay TV so wouldnt have a clue .


I know you dont have a clue.   But the NBN does two things that are desperately needed in telecommunications in this country:
1) It allows competition in the PayTV market. Currently we have a private monopoly which is a very bad thing for consumers.
2) It finally divides wholesale and retail telecommunications, removing the blockage Telstra (doing both) has caused to slow innovation and investment in the sector.





and it only costs $50BILLION to get more payTV???  marvellous. no wonder you support labor. you obviously cannot concieve of just how much that is.


don't forget the faster porn
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Reply #20 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:52am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:30am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:25am:
cods wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:04am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 8:57am:
Ive been saying for ages that News Ltds opposition to the NBN is based on self interest via it being a threat to foxtels monopoly.





so can Murdoch change the world?? I dont think so.. we are not that easily brainwashed..I dont have pay TV so wouldnt have a clue .


I know you dont have a clue.   But the NBN does two things that are desperately needed in telecommunications in this country:
1) It allows competition in the PayTV market. Currently we have a private monopoly which is a very bad thing for consumers.
2) It finally divides wholesale and retail telecommunications, removing the blockage Telstra (doing both) has caused to slow innovation and investment in the sector.





and it only costs $50BILLION to get more payTV???  marvellous. no wonder you support labor. you obviously cannot concieve of just how much that is.


Obviously  you are trolling, but the NBN is a lot more than pay TV. 

NBN is the only high speed telecommunications proposal that actually treats rural people the same as city people. Im constantly suprised that the nationals are against it.... or are they ?

PayTV providers (more than one in this new wholesale market) will be paying the NBN to use its infrastructure, rather than being shut out of the foxtel infrastructure.   Phone carriers, internet providers will be PAYING to use the NBN.  New interactive services in education, health and sciences will be PAYING to use the NBN. 

This is how the NBN will generate money, generate money to pay for itself and be a lucrative asset, so, in the due course of time a future liberal government can sell it off as a private monopoly which can again screw its customers (like airports), while patting themselves on the back that they produced a surplus.... and so the cycle will begin again.  Grin


One thing you can rely on is a liberal government to take something that was free and cheap and make it exclusive and expensive.
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Reply #21 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:55am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:52am:
Obviously  you are trolling, but the NBN is a lot more than pay TV. 

NBN is the only high speed telecommunications proposal that actually treats rural people the same as city people. Im constantly suprised that the nationals are against it.... or are they ?


Are the rural people getting FTTN?
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Reply #22 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 10:03am
 
Maqqa wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:55am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:52am:
Obviously  you are trolling, but the NBN is a lot more than pay TV. 

NBN is the only high speed telecommunications proposal that actually treats rural people the same as city people. Im constantly suprised that the nationals are against it.... or are they ?


Are the rural people getting FTTN?


Stupid question, by the party hack.

Leaving party hacks aside, as a political issue the NBN is simple.   If you believe in creating and supporting private monopolies (and Howard created a few) then you are against the NBN.

If however, you believe that an open telecommunications industry will be part of our services economy long after the last mine has poluted the last river, then you are in favour of NBN like infrastructure.
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Reply #23 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 10:15am
 
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Reply #24 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 10:28am
 
If you want a programme to pay for itself, you roll it out where it makes the most economic sense.

Rolling it out first to people who live in the middle of fking nowhere makes no sense whatsoever.

You should have a 2 tier system with the capital cities receiving the most expensive, fastest network and then the countryside receiving it later on down the track when the additional capital can afford to do it.

Rolling it out to the hillbillies who live about 5 miles from each neighbour makes no economic sense whatsoever.

Honestly, I don't think public servants ever have the first clue as to how to run something within budget.
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Reply #25 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 10:35am
 
I wouldn't say private is much better at running things in budget - cost over runs happen every day on infrastructure projects/the nbn is on budget.

As for murdoch v the nbn - I have no doubt that if they could (and they probably will) cancel it, bring it on budget and then blame the alp for all that's wrong in the world.
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Reply #26 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 10:36am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 10:28am:
If you want a programme to pay for itself, you roll it out where it makes the most economic sense.

Rolling it out first to people who live in the middle of fking nowhere makes no sense whatsoever.

You should have a 2 tier system with the capital cities receiving the most expensive, fastest network and then the countryside receiving it later on down the track when the additional capital can afford to do it.

Rolling it out to the hillbillies who live about 5 miles from each neighbour makes no economic sense whatsoever.

Honestly, I don't think public servants ever have the first clue as to how to run something within budget.


Stupid statement again by the one whose short term horizon doesnt extend past 6 months.

In Australia, most city resident have access to "broadband" (I use the term loosely), so it makes sense if you are rolling out an AUSTRALIA-WIDE scheme, you target those who do not have broadband at all (rural) first.  Biggest impact first.

Anyway, the NBN Co doesnt seem to be playing politics at all. City vs Country vs labor vs liberal seats seem to be given equal weighting in the rollout.
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Reply #27 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 10:37am
 
Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 10:35am:
I wouldn't say private is much better at running things in budget - cost over runs happen every day on infrastructure projects/the nbn is on budget.

As for murdoch v the nbn - I have no doubt that if they could (and they probably will) cancel it, bring it on budget and then blame the alp for all that's wrong in the world.


Labor's NBN promise - $4.7B

now it'll cost some $50B

that's not a cost over run!!

It's like planning to build a house for $470,000 and ending up paying $5M for it
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Reply #28 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 10:41am
 
Maqqa wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 10:37am:
Labor's NBN promise - $4.7B

now it'll cost some $50B

that's not a cost over run!!

It's like planning to build a house for $470,000 and ending up paying $5M for it


Even Christopher Pyne wouldnt say something that stupid, party hack.

The deliverable of NBN has changed a lot since the first figure (which wasnt a promise).  In fact anyone with a brain would say they were two seperate things.
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Reply #29 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 10:44am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 10:36am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 10:28am:
If you want a programme to pay for itself, you roll it out where it makes the most economic sense.

Rolling it out first to people who live in the middle of fking nowhere makes no sense whatsoever.

You should have a 2 tier system with the capital cities receiving the most expensive, fastest network and then the countryside receiving it later on down the track when the additional capital can afford to do it.

Rolling it out to the hillbillies who live about 5 miles from each neighbour makes no economic sense whatsoever.

Honestly, I don't think public servants ever have the first clue as to how to run something within budget.


Stupid statement again by the one whose short term horizon doesnt extend past 6 months.

In Australia, most city resident have access to "broadband" (I use the term loosely), so it makes sense if you are rolling out an AUSTRALIA-WIDE scheme, you target those who do not have broadband at all (rural) first.  Biggest impact first.

Anyway, the NBN Co doesnt seem to be playing politics at all. City vs Country vs labor vs liberal seats seem to be given equal weighting in the rollout.



A densely populated area will have the most take-up.
I know some of you seem completely foreign to running a budget - but if you want a programme to have the shortest net pay-back time you roll it out where you will get the most take-up.

You will not get that in the middle of fking nowhere.

They should not have it first because it will carry a loss for longer than is necessary.

Think $$$$$.
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