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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #210 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:40pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:36pm:

Ok Rabbit, if 'unlawful non-citizens' (AKA 'illegal entrants' according to the Migration Act) aren't unlawful (AKA "illegal")

They are unlawful. Unlawful entrants. We've been through this.

Illegal and unlawful aren't the same thing.

Honestly, i can’t find anything to support that.

You got a link or some thing?

Undecided

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #211 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:52pm

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:26pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So they should be considered illegal before they claim asylum. No one knows his or her intention before the claim for asylum is made.

So boats entering Australian waters, contain illegal entrants, until asylum is claimed.

Cheesy

Do we really have to go through this? Wink

You explain what it means then.

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So until asylum is claimed, are they illegal or not?

I'd say they are people on a boat.

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #212 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:31pm

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:26pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So they should be considered illegal before they claim asylum. No one knows his or her intention before the claim for asylum is made.

So boats entering Australian waters, contain illegal entrants, until asylum is claimed.

Cheesy

Do we really have to go through this? Wink

You explain what it means then.

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So until asylum is claimed, are they illegal or not?

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #213 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:35pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:52pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:26pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So they should be considered illegal before they claim asylum. No one knows his or her intention before the claim for asylum is made.

So boats entering Australian waters, contain illegal entrants, until asylum is claimed.

Cheesy

Do we really have to go through this? Wink

You explain what it means then.

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So until asylum is claimed, are they illegal or not?

I'd say they are people on a boat.

OK

No answer..

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #214 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:36pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:26pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So they should be considered illegal before they claim asylum. No one knows his or her intention before the claim for asylum is made.

So boats entering Australian waters, contain illegal entrants, until asylum is claimed.

Cheesy

Do we really have to go through this? Wink

You explain what it means then.

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So until asylum is claimed, are they illegal or not?

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

OK

No answer....

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #215 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:38pm

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:26pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So they should be considered illegal before they claim asylum. No one knows his or her intention before the claim for asylum is made.

So boats entering Australian waters, contain illegal entrants, until asylum is claimed.

Cheesy

Do we really have to go through this? Wink

You explain what it means then.

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So until asylum is claimed, are they illegal or not?

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

OK

No answer....

Actually, my answer is quite good.

Have a little think about if for a few minutes.

If you still can't figure it out, I'll explain it for you.

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #216 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:38pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:26pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So they should be considered illegal before they claim asylum. No one knows his or her intention before the claim for asylum is made.

So boats entering Australian waters, contain illegal entrants, until asylum is claimed.

Cheesy

Do we really have to go through this? Wink

You explain what it means then.

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So until asylum is claimed, are they illegal or not?

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

OK

No answer....

Actually, my answer is quite good.

Have a little think about if for a few minutes.

If you still can't figure it out, I'll explain it for you.

You could just answer….

So you are assuming they will claim asylum? As we assume the tree will make a noise?

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #217 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:40pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:36pm:

Ok Rabbit, if 'unlawful non-citizens' (AKA 'illegal entrants' according to the Migration Act) aren't unlawful (AKA "illegal")

They are unlawful. Unlawful entrants. We've been through this.

Illegal and unlawful aren't the same thing.

Illegal or unlawful?

Although they obviously mean the same thing.....but you ( Rabbit , GPC etc) continue to argue the opposite...then

WHY ARE THEY DETAINED??????????

If they are not illegal WHY ARE THEY DETAINED?

WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY?????????????????

Questioning

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #218 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 10:17pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:40pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:36pm:

Ok Rabbit, if 'unlawful non-citizens' (AKA 'illegal entrants' according to the Migration Act) aren't unlawful (AKA "illegal")

They are unlawful. Unlawful entrants. We've been through this.

Illegal and unlawful aren't the same thing.

Illegal or unlawful?

Although they obviously mean the same thing.....but you ( Rabbit , GPC etc) continue to argue the opposite...then

WHY ARE THEY DETAINED??????????

If they are not illegal WHY ARE THEY DETAINED?

WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY?????????????????

Questioning

It's already been explained. Don't be a maqqa.

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #219 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:48am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 10:17pm:

It's already been explained. Don't be a maqqa.

No it hasn't.

It doesn't matter how much bull schitt you throw on it.

They are detained because they are in breach of the Migration act. Unlawfull non-citizens. Also known as Illegal Entrants within the terminology of the Act.

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #220 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:55am

Swagman wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:48am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 10:17pm:

It's already been explained. Don't be a maqqa.

No it hasn't.

It doesn't matter how much bull schitt you throw on it.

They are detained because they are in breach of the Migration act. Unlawfull non-citizens. Also known as Illegal Entrants within the terminology of the Act.

Sad

The "don't be like maqqa" means - don't refer to Migration laws and prove me wrong

Don't ask questions when I make false claims

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #221 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:08am

Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:59pm:

Illegal or unlawful?

Although they obviously mean the same thing.....

Incorrect.

Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:59pm:

WHY ARE THEY DETAINED??????????

If they are not illegal WHY ARE THEY DETAINED?

To process their claims for refugee status and to carry out health checks.

One doesn't necessarily have to be "illegal" in order to be detained by authorities.

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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #222 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:13am It won't matter soon cause they won't be coming. Illegal or not WHO CARES!!!!! There's going to be some weeping do-gooders come election time. There's going to be some angry people smugglers too. SUCKO!!!!
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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #223 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:18am

Swagman wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:48am:

Also [Used to be] known as Illegal Entrants within the terminology of the Act.

"Also known as" is incorrect. Read it again please.

If we were living in 1993, however, you would be correct.

However, I'm sure you've noticed that we are actually living in a post September 1994 world.

As such, "illegal entrant" has been replaced with "unlawful non-citizen". Previous versions of the Act have been superseded (buy a dictionary if you're unsure).

You're free to continue living in the past if you wish, however, according to the current Migration Act, boat people are no longer "illegal entrants".

The legislation is quite clear on this matter, and the relevant line even starts out with "To avoid doubt". However, it seems that those drafting the amendment to the legislation were far too generous in their estimation of the general public's level of intelligence.

"To avoid doubt, a non-citizen in the migration zone who, immediately before 1 September 1994, was an illegal entrant within the meaning of the Migration Act as in force then became, on that date, an unlawful non-citizen."

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/s14.html

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #224 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:20am Big Dave wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:13am: It won't matter soon cause they won't be coming. Illegal or not WHO CARES!!!!! There's going to be some weeping do-gooders come election time. There's going to be some angry people smugglers too. SUCKO!!!! And why won't they be coming?
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