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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #195 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:49pm Quote: http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/61protection.htm#e Applications for protection visas are assessed by trained departmental officers. According to you - no application is needed You just turn up and make a verbal claim
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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #196 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:52pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

One does not have to be "granted the status of" an asylum seeker.

One simply makes the claim, and then they become an asylum seeker.

One simple has to make a claim, and then they become.......??

REALLY!!??

Yes, that's 100% correct Maqqa.

One simply makes the claim that they are seeking asylum, and they become an asylum seeker.

Did you honestly think there was an application form? Grin

That would be section 28-51

LOL

No Maqqa, wrong again.

Those sections don't deal with applying to become an asylum seeker (because there is no such application): those sections deal with applying for visas.

There is no application form needed to become an asylum seeker.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156724 Gender:	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #197 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:55pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:41pm: Each time you do I fall into intense laughter. Can you explain again pls? I must admit, it is getting quite funny now. He actually believes that one must apply to become an asylum seeker. This boy cracks me up
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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #198 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:56pm

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So they should be considered illegal before they claim asylum. No one knows his or her intention before the claim for asylum is made.

So boats entering Australian waters, contain illegal entrants, until asylum is claimed.

Cheesy

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Reply #199 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:58pm

These asylum seeker threads remind me of a line from the 1970 hit single by The Temptations called "Ball of Confusion (That's What the World Is Today)"

"So, round and around and around we go."

Don't worry though... I'm sure there will be plenty of shopping trolley collection work available for alevine and the rest of the refugee advocates once they're out of a job when Prime Minister Abbott sorts things out.

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Reply #200 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:58pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:49pm:

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http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/61protection.htm#e

Applications for protection visas are assessed by trained departmental officers.

According to you - no application is needed

You just turn up and make a verbal claim

Yes, and I'm 100% correct: one just makes the claim for asylum (verbally) and one becomes an asylum seeker.

Then, an asylum seeker needs to apply for a protection visa.

This is basic stuff Maqqa.

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Reply #201 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:01pm

Carl D wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:58pm:

These asylum seeker threads remind me of a line from the 1970 hit single by The Temptations called "Ball of Confusion (That's What the World Is Today)"

"So, round and around and around we go."

Don't worry though... I'm sure there will be plenty of shopping trolley collection work available for alevine and the rest of the refugee advocates once they're out of a job when Prime Minister Abbott sorts things out.

I'm more concerned about what you'll do for a job when I take over your shopping trolley collection job Grin

perhaps you can move to Adelaide and collect recycled bottles for 10c?

. Good policy that is btw.

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #202 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:05pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:01pm:

Carl D wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:58pm:

These asylum seeker threads remind me of a line from the 1970 hit single by The Temptations called "Ball of Confusion (That's What the World Is Today)"

"So, round and around and around we go."

Don't worry though... I'm sure there will be plenty of shopping trolley collection work available for alevine and the rest of the refugee advocates once they're out of a job when Prime Minister Abbott sorts things out.

I'm more concerned about what you'll do for a job when I take over your shopping trolley collection job Grin

perhaps you can move to Adelaide and collect recycled bottles for 10c?

. Good policy that is btw.

lol... it would take you YEARS to gain the experience I have in my line of work (which I have been doing for 25 years come July). And, that's only if you have any mechanical and electrical experience which I doubt.

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #203 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:10pm

Carl D wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:01pm:

Carl D wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:58pm:

These asylum seeker threads remind me of a line from the 1970 hit single by The Temptations called "Ball of Confusion (That's What the World Is Today)"

"So, round and around and around we go."

Don't worry though... I'm sure there will be plenty of shopping trolley collection work available for alevine and the rest of the refugee advocates once they're out of a job when Prime Minister Abbott sorts things out.

I'm more concerned about what you'll do for a job when I take over your shopping trolley collection job Grin

perhaps you can move to Adelaide and collect recycled bottles for 10c?

. Good policy that is btw.

lol... it would take you YEARS to gain the experience I have in my line of work (which I have been doing for 25 years come July). And, that's only if you have any mechanical and electrical experience which I doubt.

You need mechanical and electrical experience for trolley pushing? Wow, they make you work hard at woolies!!

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #204 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:19pm

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So they should be considered illegal before they claim asylum. No one knows his or her intention before the claim for asylum is made.

So boats entering Australian waters, contain illegal entrants, until asylum is claimed.

Cheesy

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Reply #205 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:26pm

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So they should be considered illegal before they claim asylum. No one knows his or her intention before the claim for asylum is made.

So boats entering Australian waters, contain illegal entrants, until asylum is claimed.

Cheesy

Do we really have to go through this? Wink

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Reply #206 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:36pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:11pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

That's correct.

Not "illegals", and not "illegal immigrant".

Sorry -> 'Unlawfull Non-Citizen' is synonymous with 'Illegal entrant'

You can also be an 'Unlawfull Non-Citizen' AKA 'Illegal entrant' if you overstay your visa conditions.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

The majority of "illegals" come by plane."58,000 illegal immigrants in Australia have arrived by plane"http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-...Another fail for Maqqa

Nope they arrive legally (EG. with a Visa as Lawful non-citizens) and then overstay their visa conditions and hence become unlawfull non-citizens (AKA "illegals") . Big difference GPC. Huh

But they dont enter australia until they are granted visas.

SOB

That's the point of difference Borg. They (plane arrivals) enter Australia legally. Their bonafides are subject to screening. Boat arrivals aren't.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:04am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:43am:

Sorry -> 'Unlawfull Non-Citizen' is synonymous with 'Illegal entrant'

They don't mean the exact same thing, which is precisely why the Migration Act was amended.

But they do according to the Migration Act.

It states

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14 (2) To avoid doubt, a non-citizen in the migration zone who, immediately before 1 September 1994, was an illegal entrant within the meaning of the Migration Act as in force then became, on that date, an unlawful non-citizen

They are the same which is the issue you raised. (Refer your Reply #128

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:45pm:

No, not illegal.

Show us where it says in the current legislation that asylum seekers, today, are illegal.

Waiting ...

So I guess your are wrong GPC?

No. Grerggery is absolutely correct.

You seem to have very poor comprehension skills. The section you just quoted states very clearly that
what was deemed illegal prior to 1 September 1994, is now not illegal.

What was an "illegal entrant" is now an unlawful non-citizen.

Not illegal

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14 (2) To avoid doubt, a non-citizen in the migration zone who, immediately before 1 September 1994, was an illegal entrant within the meaning of the Migration Act as in force then became, on that date, an unlawful non-citizen

And this is consistent with our obligations under the Refugee Convention:

The Convention stipulates that what would usually be considered as illegal actions (e.g. entering a country without a visa) should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum. This means that it is incorrect to refer to asylum seekers who arrive without authorisation as “illegal”, as they in fact have a right to enter Australia to seek asylum.
http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/f/myth-long.php#illegals

Ok Rabbit, if 'unlawful non-citizens' (AKA 'illegal entrants' according to the Migration Act) aren't unlawful (AKA "illegal")

WHY are they detained??????

BTW the Refugee Council doesn't make the law Rabbit? You do realise that don't you? Grin

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Reply #207 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:39pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:26pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So they should be considered illegal before they claim asylum. No one knows his or her intention before the claim for asylum is made.

So boats entering Australian waters, contain illegal entrants, until asylum is claimed.

Cheesy

Do we really have to go through this? Wink

You explain what it means then.

“should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum”

So until asylum is claimed, are they illegal or not?

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Reply #208 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:40pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:36pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:11pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

That's correct.

Not "illegals", and not "illegal immigrant".

Sorry -> 'Unlawfull Non-Citizen' is synonymous with 'Illegal entrant'

You can also be an 'Unlawfull Non-Citizen' AKA 'Illegal entrant' if you overstay your visa conditions.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

The majority of "illegals" come by plane."58,000 illegal immigrants in Australia have arrived by plane"http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-...Another fail for Maqqa

Nope they arrive legally (EG. with a Visa as Lawful non-citizens) and then overstay their visa conditions and hence become unlawfull non-citizens (AKA "illegals") . Big difference GPC. Huh

But they dont enter australia until they are granted visas.

SOB

That's the point of difference Borg. They (plane arrivals) enter Australia legally. Their bonafides are subject to screening. Boat arrivals aren't.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:04am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:43am:

Sorry -> 'Unlawfull Non-Citizen' is synonymous with 'Illegal entrant'

They don't mean the exact same thing, which is precisely why the Migration Act was amended.

But they do according to the Migration Act.

It states

Quote:

14 (2) To avoid doubt, a non-citizen in the migration zone who, immediately before 1 September 1994, was an illegal entrant within the meaning of the Migration Act as in force then became, on that date, an unlawful non-citizen

They are the same which is the issue you raised. (Refer your Reply #128

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:45pm:

No, not illegal.

Show us where it says in the current legislation that asylum seekers, today, are illegal.

Waiting ...

So I guess your are wrong GPC?

No. Grerggery is absolutely correct.

You seem to have very poor comprehension skills. The section you just quoted states very clearly that
what was deemed illegal prior to 1 September 1994, is now not illegal.

What was an "illegal entrant" is now an unlawful non-citizen.

Not illegal

Quote:

14 (2) To avoid doubt, a non-citizen in the migration zone who, immediately before 1 September 1994, was an illegal entrant within the meaning of the Migration Act as in force then became, on that date, an unlawful non-citizen

And this is consistent with our obligations under the Refugee Convention:

The Convention stipulates that what would usually be considered as illegal actions (e.g. entering a country without a visa) should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum. This means that it is incorrect to refer to asylum seekers who arrive without authorisation as “illegal”, as they in fact have a right to enter Australia to seek asylum.
http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/f/myth-long.php#illegals

Ok Rabbit, if 'unlawful non-citizens' (AKA 'illegal entrants' according to the Migration Act) aren't unlawful (AKA "illegal")

WHY are they detained??????

BTW the Refugee Council doesn't make the law Rabbit? You do realise that don't you? Grin

Refugee convention allows for detainment for a specified time to identify and go through the checks. Doesn't mean they are illegal.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156724 Gender:	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #209 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:40pm Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:36pm: Ok Rabbit, if 'unlawful non-citizens' (AKA 'illegal entrants' according to the Migration Act) aren't unlawful (AKA "illegal") They are unlawful. Unlawful entrants. We've been through this. Illegal and unlawful aren't the same thing.
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